Uncooked Truth: A Sad State of Manual Transmission Affairs
09-02-2013, 09:24 PM
#181
Outside of F1, exactly which race cars are you talking about? NASCAR? Trans-Am? F2000 series? Formula Mazda? SCCA? MX-5 Cup?
The majority of actual race cars being driven in actual pro or semi pro racing series' on any given weekend are still manual. Lots of them are sequential, to be sure, but still manual. Don't let your PCA experience lead you to assume that the rest of the world drives DCTs....
09-02-2013, 09:31 PM
#182
The 6-speed manual is a great transmission for the Porsche 911 GT3 and GT3 RS...
...and can certainly be driven fast enough to pick up a morning coffee...
...how do you like your coffee?
...and can certainly be driven fast enough to pick up a morning coffee...
...how do you like your coffee?
09-02-2013, 09:53 PM
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wanna put the go fast track pipe down for a moment, appreciate the fact that you aren't making a living driving your de-contented, homebrew turbo for money and pick up a drink/blend/strain of your choice and chill.
So much anger. WTF.
"It's just a car."
So much anger. WTF.
"It's just a car."
09-02-2013, 09:55 PM
#184
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Just to be clear, for the hundredth time, I get why being faster may not matter to some because they want to exercise their shifting skills, But to deny that a DCT box like PDK-S that is designed to perform like a sequential wouldn't make any difference defies logic.
And when has anyone on either side of this topic, outside of people theorizing about future Google-racers, ever said that the driver doesn't count anymore? This discussion is contentious enough without suggesting answers to questions nobody has asked.
09-02-2013, 09:59 PM
#185
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Nothing like the internet to inflate egos. Everyone is a Walter Roehl, Hurley Haywood or David Murry.
Tell me do you drive around in your MT car wearing a helmet, flame suit and gloves motioning to other drivers LOOK AT ME I AM A TRACK PERSON AND I KNOW HOW TO DRIVE A MT.
It really is sad when you think about it. Most of the MT advocates actually believe they are great drivers compared to the rest of the Porsche owners. What a joke.
Tell me do you drive around in your MT car wearing a helmet, flame suit and gloves motioning to other drivers LOOK AT ME I AM A TRACK PERSON AND I KNOW HOW TO DRIVE A MT.
It really is sad when you think about it. Most of the MT advocates actually believe they are great drivers compared to the rest of the Porsche owners. What a joke.
This is wanna911
NARRA VIR 2013 Saturday on Vimeo
Just so you guys see how a proper manual should be driven.
Now imagine the 991GT3 with a manual transmission in his hands. Do you want to bet the PDK-S will be so much faster and that the driver doesn't count anymore?
NARRA VIR 2013 Saturday on Vimeo
Just so you guys see how a proper manual should be driven.
Now imagine the 991GT3 with a manual transmission in his hands. Do you want to bet the PDK-S will be so much faster and that the driver doesn't count anymore?
09-02-2013, 10:02 PM
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Nick, it's pretty clear wanna911 is a skilled amateur and knows how to drive. He is fast with a MT. Hurley and the instructors at Porsche experience are fast too, and they along with others say they are even faster with PDK. When you suggest wanna911 wouldn't be, it raises the question of; why not?
Just to be clear, for the hundredth time, I get why being faster may not matter to some because they want to exercise their shifting skills, But to deny that a DCT box like PDK-S that is designed to perform like a sequential wouldn't make any difference defies logic.
And when has anyone on either side of this topic, outside of people theorizing about future Google-racers, ever said that the driver doesn't count anymore? This discussion is confused enough without suggesting answers to questions nobody has asked.
Just to be clear, for the hundredth time, I get why being faster may not matter to some because they want to exercise their shifting skills, But to deny that a DCT box like PDK-S that is designed to perform like a sequential wouldn't make any difference defies logic.
And when has anyone on either side of this topic, outside of people theorizing about future Google-racers, ever said that the driver doesn't count anymore? This discussion is confused enough without suggesting answers to questions nobody has asked.
1. Those who are fast on track and a good portion of that has to do with their mastery of the MT. These guys never spin due to a flogged downshift. Their ********* shrink a bit knowing that that part of going fast has just been removed from the equation.
2. Those who miss the engagement of the manual.
Or a combination of the two.
09-02-2013, 10:04 PM
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I just love this thread! Way more drama and really important issues than my wife's soap operas I've had to suffer through this weekend! I'm not sure whether I am one of the world's greatest drivers because I have a 2010 GT3 or one of the worst because I have a 991 GT3 on order.
09-02-2013, 10:06 PM
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I just love this thread! Way more drama and really important issues than my wife's soap operas I've had to suffer through this weekend! I'm not sure whether I am one of the world's greatest drivers because I have a 2010 GT3 or one of the worst because I have a 991 GT3 on order.
09-02-2013, 10:13 PM
#189
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Mike, two kinds of people decry the PDK.
1. Those who are fast on track and a good portion of that has to do with their mastery of the MT. These guys never spin due to a flogged downshift. Their ********* shrink a bit knowing that that part of going fast has just been removed from the equation.
2. Those who miss the engagement of the manual.
Or a combination of the two.
1. Those who are fast on track and a good portion of that has to do with their mastery of the MT. These guys never spin due to a flogged downshift. Their ********* shrink a bit knowing that that part of going fast has just been removed from the equation.
2. Those who miss the engagement of the manual.
Or a combination of the two.
3. Those who think they are 1., but really aren't and have no clue.
09-02-2013, 10:22 PM
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3. Those who use a MT as an excuse to be slow. And their ********* shrink a bit too with the introduction of the PDK in porsche's new track star. See 1 above.
09-02-2013, 10:28 PM
#191
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Mike,you misunderstood my point.
It's already established that a GT3 equipped with a PDK-S will be faster than that same GT3 with the same driver equipped with a Manual. But the question that might never be answered is how much faster? A skilled driver like Wanna911(you can clearly see it in the video) might not be that much slower rowing gears,in fact I'm pretty sure this won't be the case.
So the conspiracy theory might in fact be true,that a Manual 991GT3 could only be 1 or 2 s slower than a PDK-S equipped car around the same track. So what's the advantage of PDK-S?
1) More customers for the new car that couldn't have it in Manual.
2) Faster 0-60 times to keep up with the GT-R.
3) No money shift...less money spent on warranty claims.
09-02-2013, 10:31 PM
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09-02-2013, 10:53 PM
#193
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Nick, it's clear wanna911 is a skilled amateur (assumption as to his status) and knows how to drive. He is fast with a MT. Hurley and the instructors at Porsche experience are fast too, and they along with others say they are even faster with PDK. When you suggest wanna911 wouldn't be, it raises the question of; why not?
Just to be clear, for the hundredth time, I get why being faster may not matter to some because they want to exercise their shifting skills, But to deny that a DCT box like PDK-S that is designed to perform like a sequential wouldn't make any difference defies logic.
And when has anyone on either side of this topic, outside of people theorizing about future Google-racers, ever said that the driver doesn't count anymore? This discussion is contentious enough without suggesting answers to questions nobody has asked.
Just to be clear, for the hundredth time, I get why being faster may not matter to some because they want to exercise their shifting skills, But to deny that a DCT box like PDK-S that is designed to perform like a sequential wouldn't make any difference defies logic.
And when has anyone on either side of this topic, outside of people theorizing about future Google-racers, ever said that the driver doesn't count anymore? This discussion is contentious enough without suggesting answers to questions nobody has asked.
