Uncooked Truth: A Sad State of Manual Transmission Affairs
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Some of you guys are missing a point here. Some of us want a new 991 GT3. But we want it with manual. When Porsche decided not to offer it with manual, they effectively said fk you to a large number of people who love what the company was about for decades. That's sad.
I drove a student's 1989 Carrera on track today. No power steering, no ABS, no other aids, 5-sp stick, air-cooled. Not one of the faster cars out there, but totally engaging, a blast to drive. Fantastic.
I drove a student's 1989 Carrera on track today. No power steering, no ABS, no other aids, 5-sp stick, air-cooled. Not one of the faster cars out there, but totally engaging, a blast to drive. Fantastic.
09-01-2013, 01:28 AM
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Some of you guys are missing a point here. Some of us want a new 991 GT3. But we want it with manual. When Porsche decided not to offer it with manual, they effectively said fk you to a large number of people who love what the company was about for decades. That's sad.
I drove a student's 1989 Carrera on track today. No power steering, no ABS, no other aids, 5-sp stick, air-cooled. Not one of the faster cars out there, but totally engaging, a blast to drive. Fantastic.
I drove a student's 1989 Carrera on track today. No power steering, no ABS, no other aids, 5-sp stick, air-cooled. Not one of the faster cars out there, but totally engaging, a blast to drive. Fantastic.
Fortunately there will be 1989 Carreras, or my Spyder for that matter, in the garage next to the modern interpretation of the 911. I don't know if the new car will be great yet, and neither does anyone else. Let's wait and see with an open mind and some optimism.
09-01-2013, 03:36 AM
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+1 Very true
Observation -> If you were to strip all forum discussions (since the launch of the 991 gt3) from the comments of typical A3/C2s/CayenneS owners who are posing as authorities on GT3 matters without for some reason having owned and driven one because they have ordered one, this website would be less emotional.
Might be a clash of old GT3 owners typical profile versus emerging ones but have to admit reading the comments of some of them is a pain. As such I sadly ended up ignoring such inputs. No offense, just my opinion which seems to be shared by some.
-991 GT3 looks like a great car for a certain purpose
-MT gives you a degree of involvement you cannot reach with an AT (one dimension is gone, the rest still exists with MT)
-Porsche's decision makes sense for some but is questionable for others...no way denying it
My 997.2 RS is appreciating because of Porsche's decision and I can only be thankful at my own micro level
Observation -> If you were to strip all forum discussions (since the launch of the 991 gt3) from the comments of typical A3/C2s/CayenneS owners who are posing as authorities on GT3 matters without for some reason having owned and driven one because they have ordered one, this website would be less emotional.
Might be a clash of old GT3 owners typical profile versus emerging ones but have to admit reading the comments of some of them is a pain. As such I sadly ended up ignoring such inputs. No offense, just my opinion which seems to be shared by some.
-991 GT3 looks like a great car for a certain purpose
-MT gives you a degree of involvement you cannot reach with an AT (one dimension is gone, the rest still exists with MT)
-Porsche's decision makes sense for some but is questionable for others...no way denying it
My 997.2 RS is appreciating because of Porsche's decision and I can only be thankful at my own micro level
09-01-2013, 03:53 AM
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You knock me for what you call "thinly veiled insults", you proudly make "black and white" ones out in the open, yet you call me the hypocrite. Whatever.
That's a good one, Dez. You are probably the person least tolerant of opposing viewpoints to your own, of anyone who posts on this forum.
You're entitled to your biased POV, AP is entitled to his biased one, I'm entitled to a biased POV too. Everyone gets to believe what they choose framed by their own motives and experiences. In about 4 months I'll have a new 991 GT3 in my garage and I'll get to draw my own meaningful conclusions as to whether AP is genuine or just a salesman. All the speculation will become irrelevant background noise. I know you usually need the last word, so knock yourself out.
That's a good one, Dez. You are probably the person least tolerant of opposing viewpoints to your own, of anyone who posts on this forum.
You're entitled to your biased POV, AP is entitled to his biased one, I'm entitled to a biased POV too. Everyone gets to believe what they choose framed by their own motives and experiences. In about 4 months I'll have a new 991 GT3 in my garage and I'll get to draw my own meaningful conclusions as to whether AP is genuine or just a salesman. All the speculation will become irrelevant background noise. I know you usually need the last word, so knock yourself out.
False, YOU are the person most intolerant regarding others POV. This is clearly evident by any thread/post that could be perceived as negative towards the GT3 littered with your counter points. Almost every single post that could be perceived as negative has a response from you. My words are stronger, but that does not nearly account for the shear mass of counter-arguments you are sending out. We could tally them up and I'd bet you have more than everyone else here combined.
How about allow a thread (like this one, as there will be more) to go without you posting in it........ Bet you can't do it. I understand that many people are extremely excited about this car, which is why I have not started a single thread in this section (as I don't have much good to say) and I'm not stalking every thread to find something negative to post. I keep my comments to a few threads. Would be fewer if I wasn't annoyed by your incessant defense of every single post that you don't agree with.
We have the proof right here in front of us. All it takes is a few clicks.
1. How much have you driven the PDK-S? Plus of course 'involvement' is highly subjective and what is considered 'involving' for one person may be less so for others - why is your opinion so important?
2. It doesn't mean that Porsche couldn't make it work, just that the time and budget required to develop an alternative solution wasn't considered appropriate.
2. It doesn't mean that Porsche couldn't make it work, just that the time and budget required to develop an alternative solution wasn't considered appropriate.
I didn't say my opinion was important, did I?
2) Or that Porsche didn't want to make it work because they wanted to have only PDK in the car. POV, or willingness vs non willingness to buy what the guy most responsible for the success of the car has to say as if his intent/words serve any purpose other than doing his job to sell cars.
09-01-2013, 05:39 AM
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Nope, your adjustment of Nizer's comment definitely broke it... There are a few journalists strengthening our concerns by making comments but there are many current owners unimpressed... They've just gotten sick and tired of repeating themselves 
09-01-2013, 07:02 AM
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I don't think anyone has missed this (in the seemingly endless threads devoted to the topic). I want a manual too, but the car doesn't have one. Can we move on now?
Fortunately there will be 1989 Carreras, or my Spyder for that matter, in the garage next to the modern interpretation of the 911. I don't know if the new car will be great yet, and neither does anyone else. Let's wait and see with an open mind and some optimism.
Fortunately there will be 1989 Carreras, or my Spyder for that matter, in the garage next to the modern interpretation of the 911. I don't know if the new car will be great yet, and neither does anyone else. Let's wait and see with an open mind and some optimism.
I expect that the 991 GT3 will be great, but it would be considerably greater for many people if it came with manual.
09-01-2013, 01:46 PM
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09-01-2013, 01:54 PM
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While I'm a prospective 991 GT3 owner and am very excited about the car overall, and cautiously optimistic about the PDK, I'd sign the petition. This will be my first DCT car after having rejected them in the past, so a MT car would be a lot less risk for me.
But I'm not going to whine about it incessantly and rennlist. Seems as productive as this guy:
