Panorama GT3 Review
08-23-2013, 03:18 PM
#137
@Mike in CA -- I'm with you! I agonized over whether or not to stick with big reds or go PCCB. When I spec'd the order, I made the choice based on my gut, what I really wanted, and the answer was PCCB. Might not make logical sense, but what's logical when it comes to something like this? 
08-23-2013, 04:30 PM
#138
Rennlist Member
I've seen black in the rear with a touch of brown and solid brown in the front. This does require being cheap enough to run every set of pads metal to metal and no added cooling.
They do keep stopping the car though, so no problem
just add clips to the freaking pucks don't fall out when you change pads.Black with a touch of brown!
I gotta get out to FL sometime. I felt guilty for sending one press car back with burgundy stoppers—but then, they did leave the thing in my care for more than a year. Not a single scratch on the front lip, but those beet-red calipers told the tale of the Loop and Laguna.
My kind of "patina."
pete
08-23-2013, 04:44 PM
#140
Three Wheelin'
08-23-2013, 04:48 PM
#141
Race Director
But he also mentions the potential problem of a rock getting wedged between the rotor and caliper, scoring the disk and ruining it at immense cost. I can't ever recall that happening to me with steel brakes but I know it's possible. I'm wavering. I'd appreciate your expert input (or that of anyone) to talk me down (or I suppose back up) again.
Edit: Pete I reread your PCCB post and am feeling a bit better again....
Last edited by Mike in CA; 08-23-2013 at 06:20 PM.
08-23-2013, 04:53 PM
#143
08-23-2013, 05:32 PM
#145
Rennlist Member
Thanks Pete. Interestingly, my sales rep is trying to talk me out of making the change. He cites the issues with squealing (which I thought had been resolved) and track wear, which for a car that will be street driven and autox'd with a track day or two a year thrown in shouldn't be a big issue.
But he also mentions the potential problem of a rock getting wedged between the rotor and caliper, scoring the disk and ruining it at immense cost. I can't ever recall that happening to me with steel brakes but I know it's possible. I'm wavering. I'd appreciate your expert input (or that of anyone) to talk me down (or I suppose back up) again.
But he also mentions the potential problem of a rock getting wedged between the rotor and caliper, scoring the disk and ruining it at immense cost. I can't ever recall that happening to me with steel brakes but I know it's possible. I'm wavering. I'd appreciate your expert input (or that of anyone) to talk me down (or I suppose back up) again.
Therefore, PCCB's should not be a major concern for you.
08-23-2013, 06:15 PM
#146
Race Director
Mike correct me if I am wrong. You plan on doing primarily autocross events. As a result, most of the track work you will be doing will not involve high speed braking. My understanding is PCCB's do not withstanding continued high speed braking.
Therefore, PCCB's should not be a major concern for you.
Therefore, PCCB's should not be a major concern for you.
I've been on the fence about this for a while and as usual, I'm probably over-thinking the whole thing.
08-23-2013, 06:41 PM
#147
Rennlist Member
I doubt you can detect the lighter weight auto crossing, or need the additional stopping power.
Stopping power only matters I think once you beat the crap out of them to the point that they overheat.. No likely right?
But red car, red caliper, red brake lights, red stitching maybe even red dials.
You don't wanna go yellow, even though you may lose Mc Donalds sponsorship.
Stopping power only matters I think once you beat the crap out of them to the point that they overheat.. No likely right?
But red car, red caliper, red brake lights, red stitching maybe even red dials.
You don't wanna go yellow, even though you may lose Mc Donalds sponsorship.
08-23-2013, 06:46 PM
#148
Burning Brakes
This is what I know:
The New GT3 has improved brake cooling over the previous model especially on the rear with an additional vent on each side making for 4 in total.
The material composition of the ceramic disks, especially the outer friction layer, has been completely revised. A significantly higher proportion of ceramic in the carbon-fibre reinforced ceramics has greatly increased the wear resistance of the new disks, even under extreme high loads...
Both of the above are from Porsche documents I have in my possession. This along with Pete Stout's feedback and your intended use, should make you feel much better..
Crap, I think I just talked myself into them too but I have 2 1/2 months to change my mind before my order will be locked..
Last edited by Conekilr; 08-23-2013 at 08:36 PM. Reason: Clarification of which Peter. so many Pete's what a great name :)
08-23-2013, 06:56 PM
#149
Race Director
I doubt you can detect the lighter weight auto crossing, or need the additional stopping power.
Stopping power only matters I think once you beat the crap out of them to the point that they overheat.. No likely right?
But red car, red caliper, red brake lights, red stitching maybe even red dials.
You don't wanna go yellow, even though you may lose Mc Donalds sponsorship.
Stopping power only matters I think once you beat the crap out of them to the point that they overheat.. No likely right?
But red car, red caliper, red brake lights, red stitching maybe even red dials.
You don't wanna go yellow, even though you may lose Mc Donalds sponsorship.
No red stitching or dials on order; hadn't even thought about McDonalds. That's a possibility.....
You're confusing me Peter. First you said get 'em and now you say don't go yellow. So which is it?
08-23-2013, 07:03 PM
#150
Nordschleife Master
Mike,for your intended use I think PCCBs are a good idea and they last a long long time,the only thing I'd say,I don't know how well the yellow calipers go with your choice of GR,but then again it's all subjective and a matter of preference.