Originally Posted by Carrera GT

I passed on my own order for an RS 4.0 at MSRP because I didn't want to do business with the dealer, and the car was not a compelling value for my interests. At that time, nobody on the planet was sharing their crystal ball -- there was at least two cars at MSRP in the Bay Area, and at least one other I found just by asking here on Rennlist. A dealer then held the car and refused to sell it to other buyers. They flipped it via an unscrupulous deal, then another dealer held the car for six months before getting maybe a 10% profit.

As the philosopher Mooty said recently, I mistake the RS 4.0 for a car to be driven. In fact, it's a car to be owned and posed. There are just a handful of exceptions to this use.

If cars were investments and I missed out on a 10% gain on at least a 10% risk of loss, I'd say that was a mediocre deal. As a car, 4.0 simply was not (is not) worth the premium over a 3.8 when comparing msrp, and certainly not worth the premium being scalped out of the secondary market.

As for NZ vs USA markets, it's summer in the USA and there's basically no 3.8's for sale. Maybe 5 or 10 in the whole country. Maybe another 5 or so, not really for sale, just held out by dealers as high price "suckers only need apply." I check from month to month and scratch my chin about selling my 3.8 at whatever might be a reasonable and fair market. Right now, I'd say it's about 10% under msrp. Pretty good for any 911. Still, it's winter in the antipodes, and maybe a small bubble in premium pricing is deflating. It is utterly impossible to know why market prices fluctuate. One can speculate that it's a simple causality in plain view, but as someone who's business it is to trade markets since last century, I am of the carefully constructed opinion that supply and demand do not dance to the beat of a single drum.

Originally Posted by Carrera GT

I passed on my own order for an RS 4.0 at MSRP because I didn't want to do business with the dealer, and the car was not a compelling value for my interests. At that time, nobody on the planet was sharing their crystal ball -- there was at least two cars at MSRP in the Bay Area, and at least one other I found just by asking here on Rennlist. A dealer then held the car and refused to sell it to other buyers. They flipped it via an unscrupulous deal, then another dealer held the car for six months before getting maybe a 10% profit.

As the philosopher Mooty said recently, I mistake the RS 4.0 for a car to be driven. In fact, it's a car to be owned and posed. There are just a handful of exceptions to this use.

If cars were investments and I missed out on a 10% gain on at least a 10% risk of loss, I'd say that was a mediocre deal. As a car, 4.0 simply was not (is not) worth the premium over a 3.8 when comparing msrp, and certainly not worth the premium being scalped out of the secondary market.

As for NZ vs USA markets, it's summer in the USA and there's basically no 3.8's for sale. Maybe 5 or 10 in the whole country. Maybe another 5 or so, not really for sale, just held out by dealers as high price "suckers only need apply." I check from month to month and scratch my chin about selling my 3.8 at whatever might be a reasonable and fair market. Right now, I'd say it's about 10% under msrp. Pretty good for any 911. Still, it's winter in the antipodes, and maybe a small bubble in premium pricing is deflating. It is utterly impossible to know why market prices fluctuate. One can speculate that it's a simple causality in plain view, but as someone whose business it is to trade markets since last century, I am of the carefully constructed opinion that supply and demand do not dance to the beat of a single drum.

Originally Posted by mooty

i hope you realized that mooty the philosopher is full of **** and previous poke at you was in jest.

but you were way too kind in above paragraph one.
you mean CARLSEN sent a customer, whom i also know, to lease the car from that first dealer, which i dont do business with. then put such RS4.0 into their own inventory as USED car thereby legitimately scalp the next inexperienced buyer after subject car sat for over 6 months. oh, i am not conjecturing, i have FACTS on that deal.

Originally Posted by toplabels

I am about to take the plunge on a 2013 997 turbo S 1700 miles. Porsche has got us where they want...talking and speculating and extremely anxious about who what where this BS 991 GT3. Like someone else said earlier in this thread about a Ferrari. Just wait two years and 991GT3 will be available in auto trader at a lesser price. Who knows 997.2 RS may just be of more value because of the not too debated issue of PDK only 991 GT3.

Speaking of dealerships. Last friday called my sales rep, sent her emails, left a message its thursday and the only reason she gave me a call back today finally its because i sent her a message that stated call me or I am going elsewhere. Excuses after excuses of why she did not return my calls.....like they say excuses are like belly buttons every body has one. Anyway she agreed to talk to the sales manager in order to help me with a petition and she promised so help her who know who that she would call before the days end and guess what no call with answers. This is nothing more than royal jelly fk BS.

I dont know about you guys, but dropping 150K for a car is at least in my book a lot of money. Can these people care a bit about their customers. Can Porsche stop jerking us around. I guess not apparently.

So chances are I will just sit in a 997.2 turbo S for a GT3 to appear in the auto trader.

Originally Posted by Carrera GT

In jest? No, I took it personally. You are now the subject of a North Korean missile attack.
Sadly, I have to report, said missile strike appears to have extinguished itself harmlessly in the Pacific Ocean, some 4 miles off the coast of North Korea. Dammit!
As for "my" RS 4.0, yes, I saw the poor fecking thing sit in the rain and get advertised week after week begging for a 10% gouge like a cheap hooker -- yes, it had the appropriate cabin decorations for a cheap hooker, but that's immaterial! Really disheartening. A lesson learned. It showed me more than one character reveal their true colors.

Originally Posted by toplabels

I am about to take the plunge on a 2013 997 turbo S 1700 miles. Porsche has got us where they want...talking and speculating and extremely anxious about who what where this BS 991 GT3. Like someone else said earlier in this thread about a Ferrari. Just wait two years and 991GT3 will be available in auto trader at a lesser price. Who knows 997.2 RS may just be of more value because of the not too debated issue of PDK only 991 GT3.

Speaking of dealerships. Last friday called my sales rep, sent her emails, left a message its thursday and the only reason she gave me a call back today finally its because i sent her a message that stated call me or I am going elsewhere. Excuses after excuses of why she did not return my calls.....like they say excuses are like belly buttons every body has one. Anyway she agreed to talk to the sales manager in order to help me with a petition and she promised so help her who know who that she would call before the days end and guess what no call with answers. This is nothing more than royal jelly fk BS.

I dont know about you guys, but dropping 150K for a car is at least in my book a lot of money. Can these people care a bit about their customers. Can Porsche stop jerking us around. I guess not apparently.

So chances are I will just sit in a 997.2 turbo S for a GT3 to appear in the auto trader.

Originally Posted by brian1215

any dealer out there with GT3 allocation, i'm trying to order a car ASAP but none of the dealers here in california have any GT3. Some say they have no allocation, some say they have been pre sold, i am confused. I just wanna order the car ASAP. Please help anyone

Originally Posted by mike2727

My guess you will have to keep trying anywhere in the US, because seems to me that allocations are few and spread out, I was told by Champion in Florida (which is one of the larger P-dealers) that they had 4 allocations for 2013 and another 15 for Q1 through Q3 next year

I skipped my slot, and kept my deposit for a Q3 14 or whenever the car is available with buckets from the Factory, and after I have seen the Factory Maintenance schedule for track use
Not in a hurry, and who knows what happens in the mean time

Good luck hunting

Mike

Originally Posted by Carrera GT

Good point. I hadn't thought about it, but no doubt somewhere in the owner manual there will be a revised maintenance schedule or replacement interval for the new centerlocks. I hope not, but I fear so.

Originally Posted by mike2727

Yes that was my thought after the 997.2 debacle, and since PDK-S is also new, I wondered if and what the track maintenance schedule will be

I had a Stage 3 DSG in my GTI go bad after a while on the track, fortunately it was coverd under warranty, but that would have been $ 9k for the 25k GTI
if not covered

My rep would check with the Service Dept, to see what if any Maintenance schedule(s) are in place for track use, will have to wait and see

Mike