mooty

a drivers car has no switch gear. a str wheel and a gear selector, 2-3 pedals a seat lr and seat. engine chassis that's about it. the rest are not important.

dating upton, do u really care if she's blonde or brunette?

P_collector

Exactly..the much critisized 991 GT3 is the most beautiful 991 - thats for sure

If only it had a few things changed..but this we discussed already..the 991 turbo ist ugly from the back..

With that price...I´d buy second hand MP4-12 or 458..much better looking, more exclusive..and probably still faster..

P_collector

youre funny. .the 991 GT3 must be then however the "upton XXL"..because the car is too heavy. Yes, at this level blond or brunette doesnt matter..but for me weight is a an issue. Overweighted women are not models..in consequence: the 991 GT3 must be a lightweight model..

Bill_C4S

hmmm...could be your right....will at least be able to drive both ..and then decide...am prepared to give AP the benefit of the doubt...15 yrs of GT3's and he's not stepped wrong yet.

Q4 could be quite interesting

Nick

The 991GT3 weights less than the 997.2GT3 by about 88 pounds. It is lighter than the 458 by at least 450 pounds. Explain to me what the weight issue is regarding the 991GT3.

911dev

Quite the opposite. The 991 gt3 weighs 78 lbs +/- more than the 997.2 gt3.

LotF

The weight issue will be in the drivers seat. There is no tight bucket seat to shimmy into, no shift **** to interfere with holding a latte, and no thinking required. Just shut up and drive, indeed.

triode

And the 991 GTR is heavier than the 991 Carrera/S on which it's based, reversing yet another longstanding Porsche hierarchy.

frayed

Heaviest gt3 by over 70lbs in the history of the gt3. But with increased wheelbase, track, suspension, and power, I doubt it'll be noticeable.

Bill_C4S

So the weight increase is ~2.5%....

and the human level of sensory discernment to a variable change is ~10%.....

Yup....it will be challenging to notice.

Notwithstanding all of that....more lard should have been shed...not an increase....

Macca

Agree. Shame they couldnt have brought it in at 1395kg as in 997.2 GT3.

That said it came in at 1430kg which is 35kg (75lb) more. If they had the one piece bucket seats as an option as Im they used when they gave the 1395kg for the 997.2 GT3 the I think you would find the difference would only amount to 15Kg (33lb) probably the weight of the 4WS motors and larger battery (to run them).

The moment someone like Odyssey release a Gel Cell replacement battery for the 991 GT3 at reasonable cost you will immediately benefit from a 15kg benefit (my guess).

Remember the 991 GT3 comes standard with full airbag seats, 4WS, PTV, Dynamic engine mounts and PDK-S as well as a higher level of internal fit out and the car is wider etc than the outgoing 997. If you specced a 997.2 GT3 with PTV, Dynamic engine mounts and heavier seats (say the stock sports seat) Im sure you would be adding back 35kg for about the same weight of the 991 GT3 not even taking into account the PDK....

The thing is, although the weight has increased by a little we are no longer comparing apples with apples when we look at the published weight specc used by Porsche to compare the two given levels of standard equipment and the fact the lighter seats are no longer an option...

Arth

+1

Mike in CA

+1 Much ado about.....very little.

This whole issue about a paltry 70-80 lbs ( the majority of which will be mitigated once lighter seats and battery are available) is silly in another context. How many new near 500HP production sports cars, from any manufacturer, weigh significantly less than the 991 GT3's 3153 lbs? The C7 Stingray hopes to match the outgoing C6 at 3311lbs. The SRT Viper is 3356 lbs. The new Z28, 3700+. 458 Italia 3400. McLaren MP4-12C 3270. Vantage V12 3700. It's not easy (or cheap) to get a modern, streetable, big horsepower car under 3100 lbs in today's regulatory environment.

On second thought......much ado about......nothing.

frayed

I think people are mad simply b/c it weighs more than the regular carrera. It's not the overall weight that folks are noting, it's the relative weight. The new GT3 is hardly a porker compared to what came before it, and certainly not a porker in its class.

There's no way anyone here will be able to feel the 75lbs or whatever, but they lose the ability at cars and coffee to brag about how the GT3 is a lightened version of the run of the mill 911.

Mike in CA

The already extensive use of aluminum panels (hood, engine cover, doors, roof) in the base 991's have made it harder to achieve weight improvements with the 991 GT3, which I suspect is one reason why their weights are closer together. Even so, the difference in curb weight between a PDK 991 Carrera S and a 991 GT3 is a mere 33lbs and the GT3 is a hell of a lot more powerful and capable car in a wider package.

If people are really mad about not having bragging rights at C&C (good one ), as opposed to a weight difference one can actually feel or measure, I suspect anger management issues....