Originally Posted by 3-Pedals

You missed the point. I repeated this in two of my posts and I want to repeat for the third time. There is a use case for a touring which you describe as did another poster who responded to me. There is no issue here (although I dont share your enthusiasm, this is fine). What I’m pointing out is regarding the paying substantially more for this use case of “wolf in sheep’s clothing” does not correlate with this use case you point out. The price people pay isnt because tourings have a 1 of a kind 10,000 rpm flat 6 nor its because touring has a carbon fiber tub thats special to touring. It is because of speculators and flippers initiating a chain reaction years ago.

Under normal circumstances where a car’s price is determined by its window sticker (which is determined by the complexity of its suspension, engine, transmission, aero dynamics, sound system, seats, brakes, etc), in this case the $60-70k over msrp has absolutely no correlation with the “car” aspect of touring - which is a metal box with 4 tires, engine, 3 pedals, etc. Under these normal circumstances, this compromised car albeit having a legitimate use case, would be worth LESS than its superior (as a car) winged counter part.

A manual gt3 does/should bring more than a pdk simply because its more involving, more fun, a lot less manual cars in the market with 9k N/A engine, bespoke transmission that Porsche had to research and develop, etc etc etc. But this is not the case for touring. What exactly is so special about it from the perspective of it being a car? Because it has no wing it should be worth $60-70k more? Come on. I was here when it was announced and I know what everyone thought of it. I also know what everyone even the most seasoned and old timer Porsche owners here thought of it when its price shot up due to flippers and speculators.

You may love this completely understated GT3. Fine. Its just not mechanically worth that kind of money if we evaluate it as a “car” or a “sports car”.

Originally Posted by JAB12

OP, I'll support this thread as well and cross post updated availability which is tracked on post #45 on my WTB Ad which has grown legs (no wings...) at this point. Link here: https://rennlist.com/forums/market/1371045/page3

- 2019 Voodoo Blue at Grand Prix Motors: Sofas, steel brakes, yes FAL. Also has a Musicar system. 8k miles
.- 2019 Black, (now at Ryan Friedman Motorcars). LWBs, steel brakes, yes FAL Leather and red stitch and red dials. I can't do black, otherwise this would have been an option for me. 5300 miles
.- 2018 Maritime Blue. Grand Prix Motors LWBs. PCCBs, yes FAL, tons of CXX. 3100 miles
.- 2018 Guards Red. Heritage Cars, WA. LWBs, Steel brakes, yes FAL. 6500 miles
.- 2018 White, Luxury Motorcars, CA. LWBs, Steel Brakes, no lift. 11k miles
.- 2018 White, Champion Porsche, FL. Sofas, Steel Brakes, yes lift. 21k miles
.- 2018 Silver, Porsche North Houston. LWBs, Steel Brakes, yes lift. 5k miles
.- 2019 White, Brooklyn Auto Sales, LWBs, PCCBs, yes lift. 5.7k miles
.- 2018 Silver, Porsche Downtown LA. LWBs, PCCBs, yes lift. 11.7k miles. (Minor incident on CarFax).
.- 2018 Riviera Blue, Westmont Porsche. LWBs, Steel Brakes, yes lift. Manual 5.7k miles. De-winged OEM Conversion done by same dealer ($25K cost).

Originally Posted by smiles11

I can’t speak for other Touring owners, but generally speaking. I believe most GT car owners purchase with the hopes that it will be their last GT car. One we hope to be buried in one day.

I personally couldn’t pull off owning a winged car as I get older; & this is coming from someone who lives & breaths Porsche motorsport. I enjoy owning a car derived from Porsches GT department, but prefer it in a more subtle way.

The way I see it. When I get into my sixties, fifties, or even my forties in a few years. It’s going to be much easier to keep a wingless car long term. I think that plays a big factor in value when you see them on the market.

Just wait until Porsche tosses a 48v mild hybrid onto their next GT car. None of this will matter. Count your blessings & enjoy your GT car.

Originally Posted by Bruce911_

You are missing the point. The OG Touring is more than a sum of its parts. It is relatively a limited car to begin with. Not only is the exterior different, so is the interior. To you and others it may be a regular GT3 without a wing. I and many others disagree with you. And there are enough people that agree with my assessment that drives the value of the car. I haven’t set what people are willing to pay for one but there are enough people that want one and thus they are deemed more valuable than the winged version. It’s just the old adage of supply and demand. You and others may never get it but that’s ok. I and others think it is special in its own right. That’s why a lot of us say it’s a keeper. These are not just “ cars” as you put it. There is passion involved.

Originally Posted by 3-Pedals

You missed the point. I repeated this in two of my posts and I want to repeat for the third time. There is a use case for a touring which you describe as did another poster who responded to me. There is no issue here (although I dont share your enthusiasm, this is fine). What I’m pointing out is regarding the paying substantially more for this use case of “wolf in sheep’s clothing” does not correlate with this use case you point out. The price people pay isnt because tourings have a 1 of a kind 10,000 rpm flat 6 nor its because touring has a carbon fiber tub thats special to touring. It is because of speculators and flippers initiating a chain reaction years ago.

Under normal circumstances where a car’s price is determined by its window sticker (which is determined by the complexity of its suspension, engine, transmission, aero dynamics, sound system, seats, brakes, etc), in this case the $60-70k over msrp has absolutely no correlation with the “car” aspect of touring - which is a metal box with 4 tires, engine, 3 pedals, etc. Under these normal circumstances, this compromised car albeit having a legitimate use case, would be worth LESS than its superior (as a car) winged counter part.

A manual gt3 does/should bring more than a pdk simply because its more involving, more fun, a lot less manual cars in the market with 9k N/A engine, bespoke transmission that Porsche had to research and develop, etc etc etc. But this is not the case for touring. What exactly is so special about it from the perspective of it being a car? Because it has no wing it should be worth $60-70k more? Come on. I was here when it was announced and I know what everyone thought of it. I also know what everyone even the most seasoned and old timer Porsche owners here thought of it when its price shot up due to flippers and speculators.

You may love this completely understated GT3. Fine. It's just not mechanically worth that kind of money if we evaluate it as a “car” or a “sports car”.

Originally Posted by silvertige

The Houston 5k miles silver one is pending, listed at 270k. Looks like it’s only been on the market for 14 days or so.

Originally Posted by Porsche911GTS'16

The Touring has had its Rennlist detractors ever since its debut. That is fine. To each his own. But the aftermarket sale price numbers are what they are and they have been and continue to remain quite impressive. Indeed, the 991.2 Touring continues to appreciate in price and like many others on this forum, I do not see it trending downward. Like many others, I too get excited when a Touring goes live on BAT. It is must-see internet browsing, those last couple minutes of the auction.

It does amaze me how some of these cars go through owners like gold diggers go through wealthy men here in LA. But that is a whole other topic, for another day.

Originally Posted by Borderdog

This is my car. I decided to take it off the market unless they sold it before I told them to remove it. I was originally selling it because I’m getting a S/T but I just can’t bring myself to sell it anymore.

Originally Posted by 3-Pedals

You missed the point. I repeated this in two of my posts and I want to repeat for the third time. There is a use case for a touring which you describe as did another poster who responded to me. There is no issue here (although I dont share your enthusiasm, this is fine). What I’m pointing out is regarding the paying substantially more for this use case of “wolf in sheep’s clothing” does not correlate with this use case you point out. The price people pay isnt because tourings have a 1 of a kind 10,000 rpm flat 6 nor its because touring has a carbon fiber tub thats special to touring. It is because of speculators and flippers initiating a chain reaction years ago.

Under normal circumstances where a car’s price is determined by its window sticker (which is determined by the complexity of its suspension, engine, transmission, aero dynamics, sound system, seats, brakes, etc), in this case the $60-70k over msrp has absolutely no correlation with the “car” aspect of touring - which is a metal box with 4 tires, engine, 3 pedals, etc. Under these normal circumstances, this compromised car albeit having a legitimate use case, would be worth LESS than its superior (as a car) winged counter part.

A manual gt3 does/should bring more than a pdk simply because its more involving, more fun, a lot less manual cars in the market with 9k N/A engine, bespoke transmission that Porsche had to research and develop, etc etc etc. But this is not the case for touring. What exactly is so special about it from the perspective of it being a car? Because it has no wing it should be worth $60-70k more? Come on. I was here when it was announced and I know what everyone thought of it. I also know what everyone even the most seasoned and old timer Porsche owners here thought of it when its price shot up due to flippers and speculators.

You may love this completely understated GT3. Fine. Its just not mechanically worth that kind of money if we evaluate it as a “car” or a “sports car”.

Originally Posted by Borderdog

This is my car. I decided to take it off the market unless they sold it before I told them to remove it. I was originally selling it because I’m getting a S/T but I just can’t bring myself to sell it anymore.

Originally Posted by 168glhs1986

Money money money money. You're looking at this all wrong. Speculation, investment, flipping. This is what's wrong with most new GT owners and I think this is what separates most touring owners from other GT3 winged car owners, although I can only speak for myself. This car is going with me to the grave. The fact that people can sell them just boggles my mind.

The touring wasn't even planned. It was an afterthought. They decided to make a few after the 991.2 GT3 was launched. It wasn't even included in their sales brochure. They made a revised sales brochure.

That will never happen again in the history or Porsche. An "unplanned car". That alone makes it special. Let alone the other differences of which their are many.

You will also likely never understand why I think the early 996.1 early builds are one of Porsche's most significant cars. Some things just can't be explained. The 991.2 Touring is one of them.

Originally Posted by Mrrdstr

The same could be said about the 993 C2S 👍 and look at them now