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Track car, what do you mean pdk? Why would you need to reprogram the gear box? Would you please clarify? By the way, I'm not suggesting that the .1 is not capable on the track because it is, albeit it's not as evolved as the .2.
PDK programming more evolved in .2 vs .1, just like steering and everything else. In .1 I was never happy with PDK in sport mode, whereas .2 PDK in sport mode always seems to find the right gear whether on track or road.
Beyond that. 9k vs kind sorta almost 9k, meatier torque and willingness to rev, better suspension (unless apparently Sebring is your home track), WP, BBS Mg wheels factory warranty and 35%+ discount to aftermarket, better looking (though still too wide) seats, more aggressive fender vents, much improved PDK and RWS....
I had no intention of buying .2 until I drove it, then I couldn't resist.
It was for me, but I don’t think I the difference was 50k for what I was looking for. I really like the facelifted design and the Weisssch package was key for me. The engine is sublime and the extra 40-45 whp isn’t unnoticed by any means. I actually like the extra tactility and rawness the new suspension setup adds as well.
I am a below average driver, I don't think I can get 30% out of these car's performances. I'm not a track guy and $50,000 is a lot of money to me. I also like the front end of the .1 much more. I went with the .1 first and foremost to save money, and I also do 100% street driving. Life is short, if you can afford it, get what you like! I liked the .1 and it fit my budget.
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Things have changed since posting this thread for two reasons:
- The .1 car I was looking at seems to have no room to negotiate. the dealer is very stubborn
- The .2 cars I found recently have settled around the 190 mark down from 210
This makes the delta between these two cars (at least the .1 cars I was considering) more like $20k not $50k.
With that in mind, I think I might go with .2
might want to mention that to the first dealer and let him know you’re ready to buy the .1 now if he’ll discount or walk away and buy the .2 if he won’t.
might want to mention that to the first dealer and let him know you’re ready to buy the .1 now if he’ll discount or walk away and buy the .2 if he won’t.
Already tried but he is so stubborn. I have dealt with this dealer 2 times before and they are one of those stubborn dealers. They had a GT3 back in the day (when it was thought 6MT GT3s were investments) which they had listed for 10k over with 4000 miles (this was 1.5 years ago). I offered them 3k over, and they declined. I kept following up with them over the course of 10 months and last I checked they could not sell that car for 15k below msrp and eventually had to auction it (or sold it cheaper than that but it disappeared one day). Point being, they dont negotiate. They would rather insist and lose money but maintain their image than to make a deal.
Yes. PDK.
if you can reprogram the gear box, and do not go to the track, then no.
I agree, if you’re not buying to to gain the extra seconds on the track then why do you need a .2 over a .1? I have a .1 and passed on the .2 when I got the call because a) I couldn’t justify the extra change for what I felt was nominal and b) the .1 ride is softer than the .2 which if you’re driving it more on public roads vs the track it’s preferable. I can’t see myself getting rid of the .1 as I love that car that much. I’m taking that extra change and putting it on a 992 RS assuming the economy is not in the porta potty.
50k can buy a lot of parts, you could take 20k and make a .1 killer. I dont think there has been enough change on the 991 cars (in general) to justify 50k, but if money is no object, get the newer car. Its funny, how one group of people want to go back to 997 concept, and i get that, and then there is a totally different group that wants more development. In a perfect world, you would have a few and choose the one for the specific day.
1) No if judging purely from a financial standpoint. But do we buy sports cars driven only by financial aspects?
2) Taste is very subjective. As an example I like the design of the 991.2 significantly more. I was not even considering the 991.1 GT3 but when I saw 991.2 GT3 I just was sold. And given that they offered manual I just could not resist and bought it as a result. At the same time there are many people who like the design of the 991.1 more.
3) GT3RS .2 feels like a very entertaining car as per my taste given its stiffer suspension and other nuances. If I were in the market for RS I would look at .2 RS only.
As an example I drove both the .2 GT3RS and GT2RS on the race track at the same day and I liked the feel of the .2 GT3RS significantly more.
And I am exactly that type of person who would prefer a stiffer .2 GT3RS on the streets and even would prefer it over other cars to long journeys covering 1000 kilometers for one day.
So the response to your question depends purely on your preferences and taste for cars.
LOL - BS - Cup cars are one dimensional single class racers. I'll call it honestly - they are hopeless in any open class form of MS - go buy a miata and compete in a large class with a large gene pool (1) the 991.1 has a seriously flawed engine, the suspension is to soft in regard to spring rates and does the boy racer compensation of overly stiff ASB (2) the 991.2 trumps it everywhere -its a finished product (3) and I couldn't care less - as my RS is just a base car (4) but at least I'm honest. (5) A 765LT will obliterate anything Porsche currently produce LOL.
So if you want best in series get a 991.2 RS - if you don't drive it hard get something else.
The only reason anyone buys a .1RS is ------------money. FFS.
BS? Let me try to explain my views again and perhaps you can then show a bit more dignity in your response.
Since I stopped racing in the VLN at the Ring I saw trackdays as a more relaxed and less time consuming and expensive way to enjoy my passion. Went from 996RS (with all Manthey mods) to 997GT3 and then 991.1RS. All incredibly good cars and great on track, but ultimately road cars that are quite heavy and compromised and don’t offer the same safety. So a few years ago I got a 996 Cup which I use for some racing and trackdays. When I run the car, a team looks after it so I feel confident it’s as well prepared as it can be. Many of the guys I drive with followed the same route and started running 996/997/991 Cup cars for a mix of trackdays and racing. All for fun and nobody pretending to be the next Hamilton, but at a decent level. Most of us tend to run our road GT cars on track too, as they offer a different and more relaxed experience. Using the cars in that combination, the change from .1 to .2 for me became less significant. I don’t understand your criticism of the Cups, as most of us just love 911’s and see the Cup as the purest and reasonably affordable variant to drive on track.
I am sure Miata is great too and when we get out of the Covid situation I hope to do a couple of races in them. Though doubt I will see them as a substitute for the Cup and more likely I will move to a 991 Cup. Lot of great cars out there really but we all make our own choices.
OK - I see where you're coming from. Firstly I assumed you meant getting a Cup Car to do Carrera Cup. I have reasonably strong opinions on this but would add Carrera Cup is very dependant on where you are based - it can be good bad or indifferent. In many respects it is too restrictive and the lock ins and commitments can be absurd. Thus you find a lot people bail after three years. Cup cars are just that - cup cars they are good as a single class race car - but are also fatally flawed from the point of view of other motorsport e.g. you can't use them as they have never been able to be road registered.
In regard to .1 RS Vs .2 RS its pretty straight forward from the point of view which is the better base car - the engine, PDK-S and aero are much better in the 2 relative to the 1 - non of these are trivial fixes to bring the 1 on par with the 2. This only matters of course, if you're using a car as a base for competitive purposes. If its a road car only scenario - its becomes pick the colour you like best. From a competitive POV, there a lot of interesting events out there. I personally prefer competition that is both diverse in terms of vehicles and conditions and also that brings in a broader range of drivers. I find the Porsche world terribly narrow and can definitely see why some would prefer to do other things like miata for example - large fields, diverse backgrounds and because of the low cost of entry, exposure to a lot of different talent. I don't think anyone wants to be Lewis Hamilton but that doesn't mean people don't enjoy good competition and the best competition is always racing against ones self e.g. focus on improving ones own performance and the rewards will come.
These days I prefer tarmac rallying to track - I find its more challenging for me and takes me back to my roots in gravel e.g. from 1 to 6 days, on closed public roads requires quality pace notes and the planning that goes with it - can be very high pace to. So for me the .2 RS as a base car makes perfect sense e.g. the only things you need to change (outside of safety items - cage, cut out, nav gear, fire bombs) are spring/shock combos and brake pads.
I can’t imagine how one can state, that racing Miata is more of an interest than driving a 911 cup.
I drove mini racing car, gt4 clubsport and then moved to 991 cup.
991 cup is a true race car and is at significantly higher level compared to what I tried before.
I can’t imagine how one can state, that racing Miata is more of an interest than driving a 911 cup.
I drove mini racing car, gt4 clubsport and then moved to 991 cup.
991 cup is a true race car and is at significantly higher level compared to what I tried before.
Quite easily - I have seen plenty of miata drivers, that if they had the resources, could quite easily outdrive and out compete many Cup Car drivers. Having said that there aare plent of cup car drivers that have made their way from carts, through all sorts of **** boxes and ultimately being successful enough in business to purchase into a cup car season. The car doesn't make the competition, the depth of competition does.
The world of amateur motorsport and pro/am is defined by dollars............I don't think there is anything particularly controversial about this.
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