991.1 GT3RS vs 991.2 GT3RS - Is difference worth $50,000+?
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50k can buy a lot of parts, you could take 20k and make a .1 killer. I dont think there has been enough change on the 991 cars (in general) to justify 50k, but if money is no object, get the newer car. Its funny, how one group of people want to go back to 997 concept, and i get that, and then there is a totally different group that wants more development. In a perfect world, you would have a few and choose the one for the specific day.
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Yes rennlist has diversified tastes. It's one of the things that makes rennlist worthwhile. In this case, I didn't realize the developing consensus supporting the greatness of the .1 was as big as it is. Cool.
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50k can buy a lot of parts, you could take 20k and make a .1 killer. I dont think there has been enough change on the 991 cars (in general) to justify 50k, but if money is no object, get the newer car. Its funny, how one group of people want to go back to 997 concept, and i get that, and then there is a totally different group that wants more development. In a perfect world, you would have a few and choose the one for the specific day.
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went to the smokies today, was a great day, had a bunch of fun, did about 600 miles total from start, talked to a few browsers, ran with a 800hp hurrican supercharged, gt350r stang, 2011 458, and my brothers 06 caymen, totally race suppended, coilovers etc and my .2 gt3 manual. all equally capable. all ran together and all love the aspect of said car. I think it hard to judge these cars for face value, its really cool how you acclimate to your car! I wanted something to bridge the gap from a997.2 gt3rs and a 991. Wanted more space, 6'4 and wanted some of the creature comforts as i usually do 1000 miles weekends (when it permits) and had to have a manual. Then you jump in a someone elses car, and you hate some things about it, but fall in love with other little things. If you had multiple cars, I would have a hard time picking the car for the day, but would love to have a garage full of options.
Sorry for the ramble, what i am saying is, there is something special for everyone, you just have to find out what that special is for you. I have always hated convertables, until i drove one in the mountains, what a difference when its in the right environment. I think people who have had the .1 and new.2rs have found the llittle bits that make it just different enough to like it more. then you jump into a 2004 gt3 and fall in love again, no nannies, no games, no buttons, totally connected to the car. So many choices, so little time.
Sorry for the ramble, what i am saying is, there is something special for everyone, you just have to find out what that special is for you. I have always hated convertables, until i drove one in the mountains, what a difference when its in the right environment. I think people who have had the .1 and new.2rs have found the llittle bits that make it just different enough to like it more. then you jump into a 2004 gt3 and fall in love again, no nannies, no games, no buttons, totally connected to the car. So many choices, so little time.
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Surly you guys realize a fast guy in a .1 will destroy the average guy in a .2.
50K buys lots of track time tires and lessons.
Ian
50K buys lots of track time tires and lessons.
Ian
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It was to me.........the choice will be down to how you use the car
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WP is also purely subjective. I like non WP better. If the U.S. cars came with the Ti Roll bar I would have ticked the box. Without it it just wasn’t worth it to me and merely a styling exercise when I liked the non WP just as much and actually more in GR.
In fact there were less non WP cars produced.
In fact there were less non WP cars produced.
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he’s got to weigh the known differences, see both in person and drive both. Then decide if it’s worth shelling out the extra hay. Mho.
In this economy $50k takes on a new significance for most I think.
Also weigh in likely delay of 992 GT cars.
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I can not hear it anymore. .2 engine is better and an evolution, clearly. But it is not more or less a motorsport engine as the .1.
They ran the .1-based GT3 R engine on 24hr races. And the new 4l is also only the basis for raceengines. Especially the praised new intake whcih brings the low end torque is NOT used in any racecar. That "motorsport engine" thing is marketing.
On the topic: 1. RS is a beauty and looks perfect and classic. The .2 more modern and beasty. Not sure what I would prefer. Take the .1 and put a good aftermarket suespension in it, align it propperly and you have the .2 performance - at least 99%.
They ran the .1-based GT3 R engine on 24hr races. And the new 4l is also only the basis for raceengines. Especially the praised new intake whcih brings the low end torque is NOT used in any racecar. That "motorsport engine" thing is marketing.
On the topic: 1. RS is a beauty and looks perfect and classic. The .2 more modern and beasty. Not sure what I would prefer. Take the .1 and put a good aftermarket suespension in it, align it propperly and you have the .2 performance - at least 99%.
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For my money - the more I intended to DD/street the car, the more I'd want the .2. The low end torque is very nice as is the improved PCM. If it was 90% for track, I'd buy a .1 RS and start the mod process - harness bar, brakes, etc.
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Many faced with this question and being the newer and improved car the .2 is probably worth the difference. I have had my .1 for 5 years and rate it so highly that I gave up my .2 just before it arrived because objectively the cost difference did not make sense to me and subjectively I prefer some of the elements of the .1. Part of that is the fact that the .1 is a bit more subtle and better looking to my eyes and offers incredible street useability for a car with such track performance. However, I am among a growing group moving to Cup cars for the ultimate track experience and appreciating the street car for its broad abilities. So a .2 that offers 2% better track performance and feel became secondary to me when considering the extra outlay to move from a .1 and not gaining anything in terms of road driving and still falling well short of a Cup car on track.
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Many faced with this question and being the newer and improved car the .2 is probably worth the difference. I have had my .1 for 5 years and rate it so highly that I gave up my .2 just before it arrived because objectively the cost difference did not make sense to me and subjectively I prefer some of the elements of the .1. Part of that is the fact that the .1 is a bit more subtle and better looking to my eyes and offers incredible street useability for a car with such track performance. However, I am among a growing group moving to Cup cars for the ultimate track experience and appreciating the street car for its broad abilities. So a .2 that offers 2% better track performance and feel became secondary to me when considering the extra outlay to move from a .1 and not gaining anything in terms of road driving and still falling well short of a Cup car on track.
So if you want best in series get a 991.2 RS - if you don't drive it hard get something else.
The only reason anyone buys a .1RS is ------------money. FFS.
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I can not hear it anymore. .2 engine is better and an evolution, clearly. But it is not more or less a motorsport engine as the .1.
They ran the .1-based GT3 R engine on 24hr races. And the new 4l is also only the basis for raceengines. Especially the praised new intake whcih brings the low end torque is NOT used in any racecar. That "motorsport engine" thing is marketing.
On the topic: 1. RS is a beauty and looks perfect and classic. The .2 more modern and beasty. Not sure what I would prefer. Take the .1 and put a good aftermarket suespension in it, align it propperly and you have the .2 performance - at least 99%.
They ran the .1-based GT3 R engine on 24hr races. And the new 4l is also only the basis for raceengines. Especially the praised new intake whcih brings the low end torque is NOT used in any racecar. That "motorsport engine" thing is marketing.
On the topic: 1. RS is a beauty and looks perfect and classic. The .2 more modern and beasty. Not sure what I would prefer. Take the .1 and put a good aftermarket suespension in it, align it propperly and you have the .2 performance - at least 99%.
RSR engine is based on our engine but a different beast.
Putting better suspension in the .1 is a $20k exercise all said and done. Then you have to switch out all true bushing to rose joints. Another $10k?
Might as well just buy the .2 if you are going to track it.
Op is not tracking it though. Is the extra $ worth it to him? Subjective decision for him.