No Lift Shift
08-29-2019, 10:28 AM
#61
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08-29-2019, 11:08 AM
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08-29-2019, 05:37 PM
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08-30-2019, 01:09 AM
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As a side note, it is too easy to get in the habit of no-lift shifting without thinking about it. In particular, those first moments driving a manual without it. Expect a few moments of WTF if you forget to adjust like I did.
08-30-2019, 01:12 AM
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Drifting
+1. Its the next best thing to a GT car LWFW, which I'd still like to experience at some point.
As a side note, it is too easy to get in the habit of no-lift shifting without thinking about it. In particular, those first moments driving a manual without it. Expect a few moments of WTF if you forget to adjust like I did.
As a side note, it is too easy to get in the habit of no-lift shifting without thinking about it. In particular, those first moments driving a manual without it. Expect a few moments of WTF if you forget to adjust like I did.
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08-30-2019, 02:24 PM
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08-30-2019, 02:45 PM
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Yeah, it feels very unnatural but pretty cool once you get used to it. Also interesting that it works at any throttle setting (even 10% for instance), as long as you don't move your right foot during the shifting sequence. Most exciting at redline with foot to floor though. Seems like it could be abusive, but it is actually totally seamless and without stress to the hardware.
08-30-2019, 02:56 PM
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Do you guys get a farty noise when you NLS? I hear it very pronounced on the track reverberating against the walls. You can hear in the video at 2:00. It was kind of startling at first. Hopefully that's normal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOw6...youtu.be&t=120
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOw6...youtu.be&t=120
08-31-2019, 01:52 AM
#69
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Do you guys get a farty noise when you NLS? I hear it very pronounced on the track reverberating against the walls. You can hear in the video at 2:00. It was kind of startling at first. Hopefully that's normal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOw6...youtu.be&t=120
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOw6...youtu.be&t=120
08-31-2019, 12:10 PM
#71
Three Wheelin'
Yes. Very annoying interventions.
For example, if you try to rev match a downshift while the lever is still in the higher gear or just nearing neutral (not yet into the gate of the lower gear) the car rev limits as it thinks you're trying to no-lift upshift. It's extremely annoying how it chokes the revving off.
Even if you're in gear, you put the clutch in and try to rev, it holds revs steady and doesn't rev freely.
I made a thread about it with videos.
https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3-...t3-manual.html
Very very annoying that it can't be disabled. I honestly have no interest in no-lift shifting. It's fast and works fine but develops very bad habits and is just unnecessary. Certainly when it hampers heel-toe downshifting fun.
For example, if you try to rev match a downshift while the lever is still in the higher gear or just nearing neutral (not yet into the gate of the lower gear) the car rev limits as it thinks you're trying to no-lift upshift. It's extremely annoying how it chokes the revving off.
Even if you're in gear, you put the clutch in and try to rev, it holds revs steady and doesn't rev freely.
I made a thread about it with videos.
https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3-...t3-manual.html
Very very annoying that it can't be disabled. I honestly have no interest in no-lift shifting. It's fast and works fine but develops very bad habits and is just unnecessary. Certainly when it hampers heel-toe downshifting fun.
08-31-2019, 12:17 PM
#72
Three Wheelin'
It’s your technique, not the car. And yes I’ve tried it all, including the 50 mph, 3rd gear thing. If you come off the gas completely before you push the clutch in (old school I know), the car revs freely. I have no issues with heel toe and no issues with the no lift shift. It all works fine.
09-11-2019, 03:22 PM
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Your statement exactly confirms what I'm saying.
My car does NOT rev freely in that circumstance. Driving 50 mph, 3rd gear, foot all the way off the gas, clutch in, (not touching gear lever, still in 3rd) hit the gas and the car falls flat on its face. Revs are limited like 200 RPM over the current RPM.
Watch this video and tell me you're thrilled about this result (watch with audio)
https://streamable.com/blnd9
I'm doing exactly as you describe above.
On the third attempt in the video I have to stab and release the throttle 3 times before it gets the idea I want to rev freely and that I'm not trying to no-lift upshift.
Super annoying. I'm learning to live/work around it but it's a feature that we should be able to disable.
And people asking why rev 'early' when downshifting -- it's happening in one single fluid motion. It's not like I'm in a high gear, stab the thottle then sit and wait 5 seconds, then move to a lower gear and act surprised it doesn't work the way I want. It's all happening as one fluid motion in half a second or less. It artificially forces me to wait until I'm already into the lower gear before I'm allowed to bring the revs up and then I can release the clutch. Whereas without this intervention I would have already been ready to get off the clutch at that point.
I'm convinced there were different revisions for the coding at this point. Some people report far too intrusive limiting behavior and others have no issue at all.
My car does NOT rev freely in that circumstance. Driving 50 mph, 3rd gear, foot all the way off the gas, clutch in, (not touching gear lever, still in 3rd) hit the gas and the car falls flat on its face. Revs are limited like 200 RPM over the current RPM.
Watch this video and tell me you're thrilled about this result (watch with audio)
https://streamable.com/blnd9
I'm doing exactly as you describe above.
On the third attempt in the video I have to stab and release the throttle 3 times before it gets the idea I want to rev freely and that I'm not trying to no-lift upshift.
Super annoying. I'm learning to live/work around it but it's a feature that we should be able to disable.
And people asking why rev 'early' when downshifting -- it's happening in one single fluid motion. It's not like I'm in a high gear, stab the thottle then sit and wait 5 seconds, then move to a lower gear and act surprised it doesn't work the way I want. It's all happening as one fluid motion in half a second or less. It artificially forces me to wait until I'm already into the lower gear before I'm allowed to bring the revs up and then I can release the clutch. Whereas without this intervention I would have already been ready to get off the clutch at that point.
I'm convinced there were different revisions for the coding at this point. Some people report far too intrusive limiting behavior and others have no issue at all.
I try to heel toe and the damn thing revs up <300 or so from where I am...im like...wtf...I gotta reblip the throttle and some times it still won't rev up to where it needs to be....super annoying.... they need to fix this software....
james R
991.2 gt3 manual , Miami blue
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09-11-2019, 04:13 PM
#74
Racer
man, that's the same thing I've been bitching about...so,i'm not the only one with this issue....
I try to heel toe and the damn thing revs up <300 or so from where I am...im like...wtf...I gotta reblip the throttle and some times it still won't rev up to where it needs to be....super annoying.... they need to fix this software....
james R
991.2 gt3 manual , Miami blue
so.cal
I try to heel toe and the damn thing revs up <300 or so from where I am...im like...wtf...I gotta reblip the throttle and some times it still won't rev up to where it needs to be....super annoying.... they need to fix this software....
james R
991.2 gt3 manual , Miami blue
so.cal
09-11-2019, 05:02 PM
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