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Correct, same gearbox in the 911R and GT3 with the exception of the lighter single-mass flywheel which came with the reinforced clutch vs. the heavier standard dual-mass flywheel in the GT3!! I believe most 911R owners checked the single-mass flywheel option and hence the difference in clutch feel vs. the .2 GT3 which have been reported. Gear ratios are the same however. I have no doubt that you are happy with the MT in the .2 GT3, and you have every reason to be, it's a great transmission, however there are differences between it and the single-mass flywheel in the 911R and quite a few who have driven the 911R think the lighter flywheel with the reinforced clutch has a better feel. Again, it is subjective!
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The fact that people are arguing about the merits of the manual gearbox in the .2 is ridiculous. This is precisely what leads to the frenzy of oh my god, I just got my car but I’m already on the list for the next car because it has a .0000001% better shift from first to second gear.
this is precisely why people are contemplating trading a brand new GT3 .2 for a .1 rs or vice cersa.
its just nuts and I’ve been caught up in it myself. Probably 5 people on this message board can extract the difference between any of the generations of cars let alone tell the difference between gearboxes.
inised to get so annoyed when someone would write just go out and drive but Christ- just go out and drive. Every pitcher is great!
this is precisely why people are contemplating trading a brand new GT3 .2 for a .1 rs or vice cersa.
its just nuts and I’ve been caught up in it myself. Probably 5 people on this message board can extract the difference between any of the generations of cars let alone tell the difference between gearboxes.
inised to get so annoyed when someone would write just go out and drive but Christ- just go out and drive. Every pitcher is great!
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Correct, same gearbox in the 911R and GT3 with the exception of the lighter single-mass flywheel which came with the reinforced clutch vs. the heavier standard dual-mass flywheel in the GT3!! I believe most 911R owners checked the single-mass flywheel option and hence the difference in clutch feel vs. the .2 GT3 which have been reported. Gear ratios are the same however. I have no doubt that you are happy with the MT in the .2 GT3, and you have every reason to be, it's a great transmission, however there are differences between it and the single-mass flywheel in the 911R and quite a few who have driven the 911R think the lighter flywheel with the reinforced clutch has a better feel. Again, it is subjective!
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When I got out of my GT4 and in to my .2(same day) I was disappointed with the lighter clutch. But -at about 500 miles I really started to like it . Now- with ~2200 miles I love the clutch. It allows me to be quicker with less effort and for some reason I find it matches up well with a quick high revving engine. I found the clutch for the GT4 matched up well with that engine and like what they have done to the clutch in the .2. I love driving the car with no shoes. It allows you to get a great feel for everything. With shoes it feels muted.
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The fact that people are arguing about the merits of the manual gearbox in the .2 is ridiculous. This is precisely what leads to the frenzy of oh my god, I just got my car but I’m already on the list for the next car because it has a .0000001% better shift from first to second gear.
this is precisely why people are contemplating trading a brand new GT3 .2 for a .1 rs or vice cersa.
its just nuts and I’ve been caught up in it myself. Probably 5 people on this message board can extract the difference between any of the generations of cars let alone tell the difference between gearboxes.
inised to get so annoyed when someone would write just go out and drive but Christ- just go out and drive. Every pitcher is great!
this is precisely why people are contemplating trading a brand new GT3 .2 for a .1 rs or vice cersa.
its just nuts and I’ve been caught up in it myself. Probably 5 people on this message board can extract the difference between any of the generations of cars let alone tell the difference between gearboxes.
inised to get so annoyed when someone would write just go out and drive but Christ- just go out and drive. Every pitcher is great!
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One of the best post on this topic ......it's a shame as the board is pretty terrible on what car is good and what's bad?? I bought my first GT car from the knowledge on this board which was very helpful, and went on a few drives with people I met here. Now it's my car is better than yours, and did you get a ceramic coating and full condom on a car that will not get driven. My cars has chips and dirt which can be seen if you look closely ..it's a freaking car have fun. If you don't ask what someones car cost everyone will be happy, and not think they were screwed. Go ask you co-worker that does what you do, and ask how much they make the same problem will exist the boss will now be the new Porsche dealer. Sometimes as people we know more than what we should, and you feel butt hurt. Perfect example now the new manual is not that good .....oh boy.
Besides, we all know white GT3’s, with the PDK, PCCB’s, black wheels and 18 way seats are the best. Obviously. lol
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When I got out of my GT4 and in to my .2(same day) I was disappointed with the lighter clutch. But -at about 500 miles I really started to like it . Now- with ~2200 miles I love the clutch. It allows me to be quicker with less effort and for some reason I find it matches up well with a quick high revving engine. I found the clutch for the GT4 matched up well with that engine and like what they have done to the clutch in the .2. I love driving the car with no shoes. It allows you to get a great feel for everything. With shoes it feels muted.
When I drive them back to back, adapting to GT3T is really not easy for the first kilometer.
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My daily car has a stiff clutch and it takes a little adjustment going back and forth for me too.
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When I got out of my GT4 and in to my .2(same day) I was disappointed with the lighter clutch. But -at about 500 miles I really started to like it . Now- with ~2200 miles I love the clutch. It allows me to be quicker with less effort and for some reason I find it matches up well with a quick high revving engine. I found the clutch for the GT4 matched up well with that engine and like what they have done to the clutch in the .2. I love driving the car with no shoes. It allows you to get a great feel for everything. With shoes it feels muted.
I didn't like the GT3 clutch at first, but that was mostly due to familiarity with the GT4. I always thought the GT4 clutch was too heavy and after 1000 miles in the GT3, I think the clutch is perfect. Way easier to drive around town and great feel when aggressive.
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When I got out of my GT4 and in to my .2(same day) I was disappointed with the lighter clutch. But -at about 500 miles I really started to like it . Now- with ~2200 miles I love the clutch. It allows me to be quicker with less effort and for some reason I find it matches up well with a quick high revving engine. I found the clutch for the GT4 matched up well with that engine and like what they have done to the clutch in the .2. I love driving the car with no shoes. It allows you to get a great feel for everything. With shoes it feels muted.
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The fact that people are arguing about the merits of the manual gearbox in the .2 is ridiculous. This is precisely what leads to the frenzy of oh my god, I just got my car but I’m already on the list for the next car because it has a .0000001% better shift from first to second gear.
this is precisely why people are contemplating trading a brand new GT3 .2 for a .1 rs or vice cersa.
its just nuts and I’ve been caught up in it myself. Probably 5 people on this message board can extract the difference between any of the generations of cars let alone tell the difference between gearboxes.
inised to get so annoyed when someone would write just go out and drive but Christ- just go out and drive. Every pitcher is great!
this is precisely why people are contemplating trading a brand new GT3 .2 for a .1 rs or vice cersa.
its just nuts and I’ve been caught up in it myself. Probably 5 people on this message board can extract the difference between any of the generations of cars let alone tell the difference between gearboxes.
inised to get so annoyed when someone would write just go out and drive but Christ- just go out and drive. Every pitcher is great!
Never having driven a 911R, I'll take your word for it. But if the unavailability of the Lightweight Flywheel (and its improved feel) is the price I have to pay for having a higher performing engine that incorporates the new stiffer hollow crankshaft with central oiling, solid lifters, and 9,000 rpm redline with better reliability and ~25rwhp advantage over the .1 R/RS (according to those who dyno'd both) which was made available at a substantially lower price, I can live with that ![Wink](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/wink.gif)
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One of the best post on this topic ......it's a shame as the board is pretty terrible on what car is good and what's bad?? I bought my first GT car from the knowledge on this board which was very helpful, and went on a few drives with people I met here. Now it's my car is better than yours, and did you get a ceramic coating and full condom on a car that will not get driven. My cars has chips and dirt which can be seen if you look closely ..it's a freaking car have fun. If you don't ask what someones car cost everyone will be happy, and not think they were screwed. Go ask your co-worker that does what you do, and ask how much they make the same problem will exist the boss will now be the new Porsche dealer. Sometimes as people we know more than what we should, and you feel butt hurt. Perfect example now the new manual is not that good .....oh boy.
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I think the differences in the clutch and pedal feel between a GT4 and 991.2 GT3 are inconsequential. The drama on this thread is over blown in my opinion. I have driven my cars back-to-back and biggest difference for me is the heavier spring in the 991.2 shifter especially when going 4>5 shift v the GT4. When on track you have to make sure you get the shifter over into 5th and not let the spring guide it into 3rd.
The clutch on the GT4 and 991.2 GT3 is childs play when compared to my 996 GT3.
I sometimes think folks just like finding faults in things, but at least keeps the board active. You want crappy light clutch action drive a BMW M2.
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The clutch on the GT4 and 991.2 GT3 is childs play when compared to my 996 GT3.
I sometimes think folks just like finding faults in things, but at least keeps the board active. You want crappy light clutch action drive a BMW M2.
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I think the differences in the clutch and pedal feel between a GT4 and 991.2 GT3 are inconsequential. The drama on this thread is over blown in my opinion. I have driven my cars back-to-back and biggest difference for me is the heavier spring in the 991.2 shifter especially when going 4>5 shift v the GT4. When on track you have to make sure you get the shifter over into 5th and not let the spring guide it into 3rd.
The clutch on the GT4 and 991.2 GT3 is childs play when compared to my 996 GT3.
I sometimes think folks just like finding faults in things, but at least keeps the board active. You want crappy light clutch action drive a BMW M2.
Chet
The clutch on the GT4 and 991.2 GT3 is childs play when compared to my 996 GT3.
I sometimes think folks just like finding faults in things, but at least keeps the board active. You want crappy light clutch action drive a BMW M2.
Chet
I pinged 2 other guys that own and track their GT4s and .2 GT3 and they felt the same way. Then I had another GT4 driver at Laguna Seca last weekend drive my GT3 and he instantly commented how crazy light the clutch was and had a hard time driving it smoothly right away.
So clearly there here are a lot of different opinions on feel around here.
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I daily drive an M2 and find the clutch feel is almost identical to that of the .2 GT3 (similar lightness, similar increasing lightness as it approaches the floor, similar engagement point). Night and day different from GT4.
I pinged 2 other guys that own and track their GT4s and .2 GT3 and they felt the same way. Then I had another GT4 driver at Laguna Seca last weekend drive my GT3 and he instantly commented how crazy light the clutch was and had a hard time driving it smoothly right away.
So clearly there here are a lot of different opinions on feel around here.
996.2 GT3: 8
GT4: 6
991.2 GT3: 5
M2: 3
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