So many manual GT3's for sale
08-09-2018, 02:08 AM
#106
I’d be curious to see th breakdown of the age of people who like manual vs pdk. Pdk- younger generations? Manual older generation as they grew up with one?
08-09-2018, 02:18 AM
#107
So what do you think about the .2 GT3 clutch characteristics compared to the GT4? My issue with the .2 is that all of the engagement happens over a super short length, and right up at the beginning of the travel. Then as you pushed past the disengagement point, there is an inflection in the spring constant of the pedal and it starts getting easier to depress.
On track, this makes it easy to shift very fast with minimal effort. But on the road, when shifting more leisurely at times, this causes the clutch to engage very quickly, bogging the motor if you do the normal thing of letting off the throttle while you're mid-shift. To consistently prevent this I basically have to stay on the gas during the shift (similar to the no-lift-shifting on track), which is unnatural for typical manual driving, or I have to purposely shift very quickly every time (so I can catch the motor revs rapidly falling at the right point).
I'm getting used to it, but it's very different than any other manual I've owned (including my GT4). The GT4 by comparison is a stiffer clutch, and the clutch has a more consistent spring characteristic where pedal effort increases with pedal travel, and the engagement of the clutch is progressive over a significant portion of the travel.
At the track last weekend I spoke to another .2 GT3 owner who also has a GT4, and he said the same thing: he's having a hell of a time getting used to the .2 GT3 clutch on the road after having driven his GT4 so much (for all the reasons I described above).
On track, this makes it easy to shift very fast with minimal effort. But on the road, when shifting more leisurely at times, this causes the clutch to engage very quickly, bogging the motor if you do the normal thing of letting off the throttle while you're mid-shift. To consistently prevent this I basically have to stay on the gas during the shift (similar to the no-lift-shifting on track), which is unnatural for typical manual driving, or I have to purposely shift very quickly every time (so I can catch the motor revs rapidly falling at the right point).
I'm getting used to it, but it's very different than any other manual I've owned (including my GT4). The GT4 by comparison is a stiffer clutch, and the clutch has a more consistent spring characteristic where pedal effort increases with pedal travel, and the engagement of the clutch is progressive over a significant portion of the travel.
At the track last weekend I spoke to another .2 GT3 owner who also has a GT4, and he said the same thing: he's having a hell of a time getting used to the .2 GT3 clutch on the road after having driven his GT4 so much (for all the reasons I described above).
08-09-2018, 02:46 AM
#110
Race Director
I bet it is all over the map. I grew up with manuals and high stall / built automatics. If they offered manual on the .1 it might have come down to color or one car had FAL. Really doesn’t matter that much to me. Both have pluses.
08-09-2018, 07:49 AM
#111
Nordschleife Master
08-09-2018, 08:19 AM
#112
I'm a manual fan, and have to say that the Grand Sport I owned last year set a new high bar for a manual. My new GT3 better be really good- some of you guys are making me nervous.
The good news is that if it's not, I can get another one tomorrow with no BS.. of course they make 15,000 a year, but I found out it's for good reason, LOL.
The good news is that if it's not, I can get another one tomorrow with no BS.. of course they make 15,000 a year, but I found out it's for good reason, LOL.
08-09-2018, 09:41 AM
#113
08-09-2018, 09:51 AM
#114
08-09-2018, 09:51 AM
#115
Now if I got a Boxster or something for cruising around I would get a manual in a heartbeat, but for the higher power 911s a manual doesn't fit how I want to drive those cars.
08-09-2018, 09:56 AM
#116
That said ... I fully appreciate and respect all the others and rationale for PDK ... track days, urban commutes, lastest tech etc
08-09-2018, 10:09 AM
#117
Race Director
Originally Posted by Brian Himmelman
it won’t be hard to find a PDK because each successive generation will make a newer and better version ... newer PDK will not be nostalgia but new tech and obsolescence of the former
This is a good point. How will the PDK-S age in 10-20yrs?
If Porsche had designed this car as a manual only, would they have had designed a different gear ratio?
Also, surprised to see the feather light clutch. You'd expect a more involved feel. You have a certain expectation of what a car of that caliber will drive like.
With all this other chatter on these other threads, you barely get any decent posts with detailed REVIEWS of these cars other than CXX, ADM, and values. More FSBO ads than actual reviews.
08-09-2018, 11:50 AM
#119
I didn't say the MT in the .2 GT3 was bad, (if memory serves me right, I actually called it a great transmission), however I would hesitate to call it the "best Porsche has ever produced" as there are numerous reports to the contrary. Some prefer the transmission in the 997 4.0 RS, many think the MT in the 911R is better and dare I say, there are quite a few owners who jumped from the GT4 who claim that car's transmission/clutch is better weighted. With so many opposing viewpoints, it's hardly possible to claim it is "the BEST Porsche has ever produced"...because if it where, opinions would be closer to consensus or unanimous, especially given that these cars are less than 8 yrs apart and a number of those opining on here have either owned all four or at least driven all four cars! It's not like we are comparing cars that are generations apart like the '72 Carrera RS! The .2 GT3 6MT might very well be the most technologically advanced manual Porsche has ever produced, however that does not necessarily make it the best...
08-09-2018, 12:14 PM
#120
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I was under the impression that it's the same gearbox. One difference is that the R could be had with a Lightweight Flywheel (and its redline is 500 rpm lower).
I am very happy with the MT in the .2 GT3. Actually, more than very happy
I am very happy with the MT in the .2 GT3. Actually, more than very happy