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Old 08-14-2018, 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted by bluehorseshoe
A little birdie told me the Auratium in Greenwich sold at $35k over today. Unverified.

I find it hard to believe that these still sell for such premiums (even in Greenwich, CT), considering the quantity available.
I may (ok am) biased because I ordered Auratium, but it is a really good color. And it was being sold as new, not a preowned from a flipper. Still listed on the website though. And, while there are some PTS GT3 cars available, it’s a handful at this point on the market.

The Auratium one is not too bad ($178,290 MSRP), but many cars are out there with massive MRSP numbers and the on the ground/used market is cost sensitive. I also think a lot of the people looking for allocations are doing so not only to get their personal spec (and color which is huge for PTS — one man’s dream is another’s Florida retiree green), but also to spec the car sensibly. I know I fit in that category. As much as I like the Greenwich car and has everything I specced on mine (including color but except touring) it has ~$11k in cosmetic options I don’t want and would take even if they were free — full leather (ok maybe if it were free), LEDs, light design, carbon trim, illuminated carbon sills, chrono with white dial, white gauges.

The very few “stripper” spec cars I have seen have sold quickly at healthy premiums. Buyers did not seem to care if they had leather or whatever else they did not have. (Missing FAL and maybe tank is another story).
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Originally Posted by jackmac
Tom,
I think A LOT of people would be willing to pay 20-30k over for spec-allocation at this stage. I think 5-10 K for ground/used cars are becoming more realistic.
Jack
Agree, although $5k seems pretty light and have not seen any quite that low. Even finding one advertised at $10k over, I don’t think I have seen that (although I am sure some have sold at that price and know if one that is likely available at that price.)
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Interesting as those ADM's cannot help but impact the secondary markets for these cars. Sounds like the dealer positioned this T as a model as opposed to an option. 12 months from now will be telling as to impact of demand, supply and ADM's.
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Originally Posted by bluehorseshoe
...Moving off dealer lots and shortly thereafter being put up for sale. WTF if going on? Porsche supply seems like it's meeting demand with over 70 GT3s on the market, mostly used with <500 miles.
70 flippers reading the speculator market?
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A recent buyer purchased a Sappbire car that’s a stripper spec, has 8000 miles, and an accident on its Carfax. He mentioned that he paid a few grand over MSRP.

Could be a sign of stripper specs selling fast, but I would consider this car a big outlier. It sat for 5 months, which is crazy long for a .2 GT3. From my observations in the market, the buyer overpaid by about $8-10K at least.
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My dealer immediately resold a loaded Touring with 180 miles for $220K
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Gentlemen it's all supply and demand,....and if the buyer has the cash readily he will buy.
No disrespect to anybody here but some have plenty of cash....and then there are the guys that don't have all the cash.
to throw at stuff that they want so they think about it harder like myself...to give over adm.
at the end of day it's a car which is a toy....just like Ferrari ,lambo etc.
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Originally Posted by n2cars
My dealer immediately resold a loaded Touring with 180 miles for $220K
'18 non-touring stripper with 3000 miles sold for $158K today on ebay. That gt3 has $154K MSRP. So, all those 70+ GT3's on Cars.com, AutoTrader, RL, DuPont, eBay, etc. may continue to sit there...
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Originally Posted by obbob
A recent buyer purchased a Sappbire car that’s a stripper spec, has 8000 miles, and an accident on its Carfax. He mentioned that he paid a few grand over MSRP.

Could be a sign of stripper specs selling fast, but I would consider this car a big outlier. It sat for 5 months, which is crazy long for a .2 GT3. From my observations in the market, the buyer overpaid by about $8-10K at least.
Last month (July 2018), I bought a 991.2 GT3 with a MSRP of $183k for $189k. It has 1100 miles on it. GT silver metallic, carbon ceramics. Original owner had put $20k in carbon fiber, GMG exhaust, GMG roll cage and harnesses and a few other items. I thought it was underpriced - mainly because I wanted all the track set up items and it just saved me money. But, it was a high msrp car.
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Originally Posted by ethan1
'18 non-touring stripper with 3000 miles sold for $158K today on ebay. That gt3 has $154K MSRP. So, all those 70+ GT3's on Cars.com, AutoTrader, RL, DuPont, eBay, etc. may continue to sit there...
I dont trust any car that "sells" on ebay. Its a fake market. Really, ebay is only used for advertising the car. Not many folks bid and truly buy a $150k plus car on ebay. Most real buyers contact the seller and negotiate from there, So, highly unlikely the $158k is a real, legitimate sale. I wouldnt bet my worthless corded tires that a buyer actually paid a seller $158k for that car. Could have been more, could have been less, or maybe it wasnt sold at all
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[QUOTE=911therapy;15216047Could have been more, could have been less, or maybe it wasnt sold at all[/QUOTE]

Agree. There's no way to be sure but I offered the seller $154K cash and he turned me down 2 weeks back. He said he was looking for a tad higher to assume it sold for $158K +/- $5K. But you're right, no way to be sure but at least $158K is in the ballpark.
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Originally Posted by ethan1
'18 non-touring stripper with 3000 miles sold for $158K today on ebay. That gt3 has $154K MSRP. So, all those 70+ GT3's on Cars.com, AutoTrader, RL, DuPont, eBay, etc. may continue to sit there...
Well, there's the problem. It has a wing. Winged cars are so 2018 1/2 ;-)
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I bet a dealer bought that car and will resell for 10 k more....lol.
dealers are notorious of buying cars on eBay.
they stole a couple cars right under my nose.
i almost bought about year ago a 16 silver rs with 600 miles.
i had bid 191k and he bid a few dollars more and I lost it...I called seller an he said. Dealer beat me to it.
within a week it was in eBay for 20k more.
i lost a 2013 spider 458 to a dealer also ....the dealer bought it and post within a few days for 25 k more.
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Originally Posted by jackmac
Tom,
I think A LOT of people would be willing to pay 20-30k over for spec-allocation at this stage. I think 5-10 K for ground/used cars are becoming more realistic.
Jack
Just got an offer for $8,000 over MSRP on a very highly spec car minus PTS and has less then 2,000 miles. is this reasonable ???
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Originally Posted by vipertom 1970
Just got an offer for $8,000 over MSRP on a very highly spec car minus PTS and has less then 2,000 miles. is this reasonable ???
Tom,
It appeared to me that you were hoping to purchase a GT3 with PTS, correct me if I am wrong. If you don't care for PTS, then make sure it is a car with the right options
The BALL is in your court, you have the upper-hand.
Look at this thread
https://rennlist.com/forums/vehicle-...hire-blue.html

They wanted 6 K over and there were no serious buyers (not sure if the car is still there). Would even try 5 k and see what they say.
Do you own or drive a dodge viper? Good luck.
Jack


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