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Old 05-01-2018 | 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by usctrojanGT3
+1...Porsche is in business to make money. Why would they build less .2GT3RSs than .1s when there is demand?
They clearly aren't running a charity, so I'm sure they will make as many as they can -- the only difference from the .1 is now they need to change over the production lines to 992, so depending on when they need to do that, it could shorten the .2 production run.
Old 05-01-2018 | 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by jo_ker
life is still easy. track guys and drivers will buy .1GT3RS´s - for 35% below MSRP. this autumn 2018. in EU.

just a couple of .2 cars will be faster than .1 cars in real life.
its not like it was in 997 days. with 0,2l difference. or as it was with the 991 GT3´s....
997 days shows the real market for such cars. between 3.6 and 3.8 are and were like 30k difference. and so can´t be nearly 100k difference for the 991GT3RS´s meaning "just for another tire" and little modified power curve - i guess not more than 4% higher hp in real life.
put Kevin on a perfect day in a 991.1GT3RS MR with Cup2r around the NOS. i say; 5sec it could be slower than the .2. meaning on normal racetracks below 1sec difference.

P didn´t had to push for the 991.1GT3RS the NOS time. this thing was sold out before even trying it hard... when did they published the 7:20 ?
it could be that they needed the .2 NOS time as good to help justifying the ongoing market value gap between .1 and .2
You're probably right about the ring times. The real difference on same tires is less than 24 seconds most likely. But it's not only the flippers and the track guys -- the average buyer still wants to have the latest and greatest, which will help to maintain the market gap for a while.
Old 05-01-2018 | 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by chaosoul
Front spring rates are same between .2GT3RS and GT2RS: 45Nm

Rear spring rate .2GT3RS is higher: 160Nm vs 130Nm on GT2RS
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Makes sense. The GT2RS has way more torque to transfer the weight to the rear wheels during acceleration.

One don't want to unload the front wheels that much.
doesn’t make sense that 2RS would have softer rear springs than 3RS. more torque, higher weight, and more of it over the rear all suggest 2RS should have the firmer rear springs.
Old 05-01-2018 | 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by disden


as of last week build date was first week of September, I did spec WP. I had my dealer reach out to corporate to see if adding WP would delay my build, I’m planning on Euro Delivery...waiting to hear back.
Are you going to do a PPF before the Euro delivery.........that would give me piece of mind. Love the protection the PPF has afforded me on my 2018 718 CS. I have 7k miles and chip free.
Old 05-01-2018 | 02:34 PM
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All of the 3RS reviews I have read to date have sounded like they were written by acolytes. Looking for critical, objective, informative evaluations of the 3RS. If there are any such reviews out there please post link(s).
Old 05-01-2018 | 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Porsch2018
All of the 3RS reviews I have read to date have sounded like they were written by acolytes. Looking for critical, objective, informative evaluations of the 3RS. If there are any such reviews out there please post link(s).
What info do you want to hear? Porsche isn't going backward in any area with these cars. Take the .1 RS and add a bit more power, higher redline, and suspension tweaks and you have the .2 RS. Not to mention tires. How much more "this car is awesome" can anybody elaborate on. It'd be nice, I guess, if journalists would wax poetic a bit more, but in reality there's not much more you can say about these cars other than, "It's better than the previous version. It's faster than the previous version." But it's not like the interior has changed at all. New styling on the exterior. But I just don't know what more can be said about these things until a totally redesigned/new version comes out (992).
Old 05-01-2018 | 03:15 PM
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Well this is all true but the prior iterations of the GT3s and GT3-RSs had E/F and the low numbered G engines (<G05373) that did not have DLC coated cams and some of these cars required engine replacement. I guess we won't know what if any shortcomings are packaged with the .2 3RS for a while to come.
Old 05-01-2018 | 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Nizer




doesn’t make sense that 2RS would have softer rear springs than 3RS. more torque, higher weight, and more of it over the rear all suggest 2RS should have the firmer rear springs.
Yes you are correct, I was the one that didn't make sense
Old 05-01-2018 | 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Porsch2018
Well this is all true but the prior iterations of the GT3s and GT3-RSs had E/F and the low numbered G engines (<G05373) that did not have DLC coated cams and some of these cars required engine replacement. I guess we won't know what if any shortcomings are packaged with the .2 3RS for a while to come.
The .2 RS has the same base engine as the .2 GT3, but most likely with some small tweaks for the extra 20hp (but maybe that's all down to tuning and intake/exhaust). I don't think you're going to run into any surprises unless the .2 GT3 engine has currently shown issues? Another poster said there are a bunch of internal differences (larger crankshaft, this and that). But no real evidence of that yet. What I'm getting at is I don't think you're going to get a rundown of specific differences at the engine level at this point. Unless Porsche releases an official doc stating it.
Old 05-01-2018 | 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by chaosoul
Front spring rates are same between .2GT3RS and GT2RS: 100Nm

Rear spring rate .2GT3RS is higher: 160Nm vs 130Nm on GT2RS
Originally Posted by Whoopsy
Makes sense. The GT2RS has way more torque to transfer the weight to the rear wheels during acceleration.

One don't want to unload the front wheels that much.
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come again? The front spring rates are 2x that. 45N/mm were the spring rate the .1rs. The gt2rs and the.2 3rs has massively increased that from the gen1 rs or .2 gt3.



Sorry total typo (fixed), I was typing 100 and dozed off thinking about 991.1 RS spring rate and somehow typed 45 instead.

thanks for the catch

991.1 3RS have 45 front

GT2RS and .2 GT3RS both have 100 in the front

160 for both .2GT3RS and GT2RS in the rear

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Old 05-01-2018 | 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by chaosoul
991.1 3RS have 45Nm front

GT2RS and .2 GT3RS both have 100Nm in the front

130 for GT2RS and 160 for .2GT3RS in the rear
i think thats the first time in history an RS model change/update is getting with a specific change worse at street driving in behalf to push lap times. a 997 4.0 is not "worse" to drive as a 997.2GT3RS - or?

anyhow. thats good! i like this direction
Old 05-01-2018 | 05:30 PM
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4.0 was worse on track then 3.8 997RS
i ordered the spring rates of the .2RS
Old 05-01-2018 | 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Porsch2018
All of the 3RS reviews I have read to date have sounded like they were written by acolytes. Looking for critical, objective, informative evaluations of the 3RS. If there are any such reviews out there please post link(s).
The objective part is in the stats and specs. The subjective part will only include negatives if the reviewers perceived negatives, and they may have perceived any. Do you have prior experience with Porsche GT cars? They're great cars, hence the lack of negatives in reviews.
Old 05-01-2018 | 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Manifold
The objective part is in the stats and specs. The subjective part will only include negatives if the reviewers perceived negatives, and they may have perceived any. Do you have prior experience with Porsche GT cars? They're great cars, hence the lack of negatives in reviews.
I am both new to Porsche and GT cars. My Porsche history started when I took possession of my 2018 718 Cayman S in August of 2017. I have test driven both a 2016 GT4 and GT3 which means essentially new to GT cars. Based upon my reading there were some significant issues with the E, F and earlier G engines (<G05373) which did not come with DLC coated cams requiring engine replacement in some 2015/2016 GT3s. The earlier G engines (<G05373) are also found in the 991.1 GT3-RSs.
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Originally Posted by chaosoul

130 for GT2RS and 160 for .2GT3RS in the rear
Still doesn't make sense but if you say so....


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