991.2 GTS, GT3, GT2, GT3 RS, Mission E - Update
01-02-2017, 08:23 PM
#196
Instructor
I really can't decide on the transmission. PDK is better for keeping yourself in the top of the rev range and that is where you need to be to enjoy the car to the max. It's all about the engine and PDK gives you better access. BTW I only ever drive it in manual mode. Love the way it neither kicks down or shifts up. Obviously you miss the clutch but I think better access to the engine, the fact you change gear more often makes up for it. Couldn't care less about which is faster.
I got out of my RS and into a GT4 at a recent track day, I would not believe anyone if they told me they would prefer the manual carrera engine on track over the 4.0 PDK. Even the dynamics, weight bias and steering of the 911 felt so much better to me.
I totally get not having wings on the 911R for road use, but feeling the aero work at high speeds on track in the RS is amazing, it's hard to describe the feeling, but having the car hunker down in a fast sweeper is
01-02-2017, 08:53 PM
#197
Rennlist Member
So the rumor of the new GT3 being a 911R with a wing sounds too good to be true to me.
They have to have something up their sleeve to mess this up for us Non-VIPers.
They have to have something up their sleeve to mess this up for us Non-VIPers.
01-02-2017, 09:05 PM
#198
Porsche can offer the 991.2 GT3 to us peons with similar 911R mechanicals (minus the special bits and badge) and risk zero blowback from the VIP'rs.
A MT 4.0 500 HP GT3 is a fairly safe bet IMO. If it's 490 HP, who cares?
01-02-2017, 09:08 PM
#199
At this stage, Porsche doesn't owe the VIP'rs anything. The 918s have doubled in price. The 911Rs can be sold for 2x. The RS' were available to them.
Porsche can offer the 991.2 GT3 to us peons with similar 911R mechanicals (minus the special bits and badge) and risk zero blowback from the VIP'rs.
A MT 4.0 500 HP GT3 is a fairly safe bet IMO. If it's 490 HP, who cares?
Porsche can offer the 991.2 GT3 to us peons with similar 911R mechanicals (minus the special bits and badge) and risk zero blowback from the VIP'rs.
A MT 4.0 500 HP GT3 is a fairly safe bet IMO. If it's 490 HP, who cares?
01-02-2017, 09:10 PM
#200
Rennlist Member
At this stage, Porsche doesn't owe the VIP'rs anything. The 918s have doubled in price. The 911Rs can be sold for 2x. The RS' were available to them.
Porsche can offer the 991.2 GT3 to us peons with similar 911R mechanicals (minus the special bits and badge) and risk zero blowback from the VIP'rs.
A MT 4.0 500 HP GT3 is a fairly safe bet IMO. If it's 490 HP, who cares?
Porsche can offer the 991.2 GT3 to us peons with similar 911R mechanicals (minus the special bits and badge) and risk zero blowback from the VIP'rs.
A MT 4.0 500 HP GT3 is a fairly safe bet IMO. If it's 490 HP, who cares?
I just have a bad feeling about that tho. Something has to give.
01-03-2017, 06:17 AM
#201
Three Wheelin'
As I said : the bean counters were happy. Porsche has always meant more. Just think of the incredible number of Porsche enthusiasts all over the World. The bean counters didn't build that.
The USA vs Europe in terms of manual nostalgia is just a fairy tale...the fact that 80 year old grandmas drive manual Polos in Europe since birth does not translate in less demand for a manual sports car.
The USA vs Europe in terms of manual nostalgia is just a fairy tale...the fact that 80 year old grandmas drive manual Polos in Europe since birth does not translate in less demand for a manual sports car.
Chris3963 is absolutely right. The manual nostalgia difference is not a fairy tale.
I'd even go a step further. I think the manual transmission fetish in the US is in reality not as big as it seems to be here on rennlist !
Only thing that irks me sometimes is the vibe that if you prefer PDK is because you are not able to drive stick. That generalisation is sooooo far from the truth. But this is a forum, so I'll take it with a bucket of salt and get over it :-)
Who cares ? Give us PDK and stick. Each can get his own weapon of choice and be happy ...
I'd like my 991.2 GT3 with 490bhp, 9000 rpm redline, PDK and reliability.
Last edited by bccars; 01-03-2017 at 06:35 AM.
01-03-2017, 07:13 AM
#202
Originally Posted by usctrojanGT3
Yup, figure the total amount of GT4s, Rs, and RSs built in 2016 should easily lead to 5,000+ GT3 capacity in 2017. In 2018, they might be able to build as many because they'll be building GT2RSs.
Try to satisfy as many as possible during 2017! Then split production between gt2rs and 991.2gt3 during 2018.
I have a feeling a lot of owners will "upgrade" from 991rs to gt2rs.
01-03-2017, 08:53 AM
#203
Rennlist Member
Originally Posted by neanicu
We'll just have to wait and see what the official numbers are between the pdk-s GT3 and the manual version. The manual will be slower,but I don't suspect it will be slower than the previous gen,due to more power(torque),perhaps less weight,improved RWS software,stickier gen tires and rev matching magic.
01-03-2017, 09:07 AM
#204
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REV Matching software and RWS ??? things good for hairdressers pretending to be Andretti!
OMG where's the hell my purist pure perfect driver' car gone?
OMG where's the hell my purist pure perfect driver' car gone?
01-03-2017, 09:16 AM
#205
Nordschleife Master
Originally Posted by RajDatta
So help me understand, you want to row your own gears but need Porsche to help you with rev matching?
People are worried about not being fast enough in a manual when compared to pdk. I don't suspect the manual GT3 will be a lot slower than the pdk version,I actually believe they'll be very close and all the new technology will assist the driver in achieving that. Not that it matters,fast drivers will be fast in pdk or manual.
I personally could care less,I'll take slower and more involving all day.
01-03-2017, 09:19 AM
#206
Rennlist Member
Originally Posted by neanicu
You misunderstood. You've taken that piece out of context,you'd make a good politician.
People are worried about not being fast enough in a manual when compared to pdk. I don't suspect the manual GT3 will be a lot slower than the pdk version,I actually believe they'll be very close and all the new technology will assist the driver in achieving that. Not that it matters,fast drivers will be fast in pdk or manual.
I personally could care less,I'll take slower and more involving all day.
People are worried about not being fast enough in a manual when compared to pdk. I don't suspect the manual GT3 will be a lot slower than the pdk version,I actually believe they'll be very close and all the new technology will assist the driver in achieving that. Not that it matters,fast drivers will be fast in pdk or manual.
I personally could care less,I'll take slower and more involving all day.
It's all in fun
01-03-2017, 09:31 AM
#207
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In Motorsport pro drivers are depressed people never involved
what a boring clicking buttons job is that?
so sorry for them it's too sad ...
No MT? No Involvement!
what a boring clicking buttons job is that?
so sorry for them it's too sad ...
No MT? No Involvement!
01-03-2017, 09:46 AM
#208
Nordschleife Master
I didn't know you're involved in motorsports professionally fxz,I apologize. I thought most people here buy these cars as a hobby but still go to work doing other things to pay for that hobby.
I thought these cars are so much fun everywhere,street included. I personally prefer GT cars at any speed and in any environment.
I guess I was wrong this whole time. You learn something everyday...
I thought these cars are so much fun everywhere,street included. I personally prefer GT cars at any speed and in any environment.
I guess I was wrong this whole time. You learn something everyday...
01-03-2017, 09:47 AM
#209
You misunderstood. You've taken that piece out of context,you'd make a good politician.
People are worried about not being fast enough in a manual when compared to pdk. I don't suspect the manual GT3 will be a lot slower than the pdk version,I actually believe they'll be very close
People are worried about not being fast enough in a manual when compared to pdk. I don't suspect the manual GT3 will be a lot slower than the pdk version,I actually believe they'll be very close
01-03-2017, 09:53 AM
#210
Nordschleife Master
Originally Posted by Apolo1
When the 991GT3 was announced part of the marketing for the PDK-S box, was jus how much of an advantage the PDK is over a MT with regard to change downs in corners. Over a Lap the PDK-S has quite a big advantage actually, this aside to the extra time the PDK allows with regard to braking and turn in points etc.....