Production # question for Jeff
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Randi,
Although I'm still working on the 93s I do have your car.
2,234 968 coupes produced for North American market.
Your car is #793 of the full production run
608 1993s
Your car is #144 of the 1993s
I see it is Amazon Green with the cashmere/black partial leather interior, tiptronic, 17" wheel, dual full power 8 way seats, factory CD player with hi-fi sound.
Jeff
Although I'm still working on the 93s I do have your car.
2,234 968 coupes produced for North American market.
Your car is #793 of the full production run
608 1993s
Your car is #144 of the 1993s
I see it is Amazon Green with the cashmere/black partial leather interior, tiptronic, 17" wheel, dual full power 8 way seats, factory CD player with hi-fi sound.
Jeff
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When buying car also this stamped VIN should be checked. US DOT uses sticker VIN as only unique VIN which tells what car is. In ROW markets US cars are registered with body VIN. This causes problems sometimes when cars paperwork has different VIN than actual body. Also some US owners have been worried why their car has different VIN in body than in stickers. Its just Porsches way of doing things which has to be known to be able to make sure everything is in order with car and its registration papers.
WP0AA2967NS820110 body should be stamped with WP0ZZZ96ZNS820110 or something close to it. Of the top of my head I can't remember where exactly stamping is but its very likely somewhere in fairly high up in engine bay.
Kind of, first, it is 60 (to subtract), not 61, and it restarts with every year and each body type. And this is just for 968s. I think other series (like the 928s) worked the same but I don't know for sure. The easiest thing to do is ask me as i have the master list for the 968s and I'll tell you. Jeff
https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...in-thread.html
Important point to notice is that there are also ROW 968 VIN sets which have exact same last 4 digits for same MY 968. WP0AA2967NS820110 will have at least one ROW sister car which has VIN WP0ZZ96ZNS8x0110 where X is something else than 2, most likely 0 in case of standard '92 MY coupe. 4 last digits of VIN is not enough to uniquely identify each 968. NS820110 is enough as it says MY, type, market and sequence number within previous three infos of the body.
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WP0AA2967NS820110 body should be stamped with WP0ZZZ96ZNS820110 or something close to it. Of the top of my head I can't remember where exactly stamping is but its very likely somewhere in fairly high up in engine bay.
Important point to notice is that there are also ROW 968 VIN sets which have exact same last 4 digits for same MY 968. WP0AA2967NS820110 will have at least one ROW sister car which has VIN WP0ZZ96ZNS8x0110 where X is something else than 2, most likely 0 in case of standard '92 MY coupe. 4 last digits of VIN is not enough to uniquely identify each 968. NS820110 is enough as it says MY, type, market and sequence number within previous three infos of the body.
Important point to notice is that there are also ROW 968 VIN sets which have exact same last 4 digits for same MY 968. WP0AA2967NS820110 will have at least one ROW sister car which has VIN WP0ZZ96ZNS8x0110 where X is something else than 2, most likely 0 in case of standard '92 MY coupe. 4 last digits of VIN is not enough to uniquely identify each 968. NS820110 is enough as it says MY, type, market and sequence number within previous three infos of the body.
Great info. I always thought my engine compartment VIN was exactly the same as the VIN on the door jam sticker and windshield. I'll have to take a look at that. Another interesting point, many North American 968s have sister cars between the coupe and cabriolet series from a VIN perspective. In the example above with WP0AA2967NS820110 you'll also find a cab with WP0CA2967NS840110. the difference being the two different digits indicate the different body styles.
Jeff
BTW, did you get that document I sent you okay?
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Jeff, So far I learned that I have the 50th 968 coupe and the 16th black coupe made for N. America. When I started searching for a 968 I was set on that it would be a black on black six speed coupe or nothing. If I have the 16th N. American A1 black coupe, do you have any idea where I am in the line up for cars with the black interior and six speed as well?
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Another interesting point, many North American 968s have sister cars between the coupe and cabriolet series from a VIN perspective. In the example above with WP0AA2967NS820110 you'll also find a cab with WP0CA2967NS840110. the difference being the two different digits indicate the different body styles.
Normally WP0CA2967NS840110 cabrio should have different check digit than coupe version. In this case two changes in VIN cancel each other out and both end up with 7. 9th can be number between 0 and 9 or letter X. It can be calculated when other 16 digits are known.
http://www.angelfire.com/ca/TORONTO/VIN/checkdigit.html
In some cases to add to the confusion there is at least 1000 pairs of 928 in US where both original US model and grey import ROW car happen to have same ending in VIN. Same MY, very similar looking VIN yet two or sometimes even three different cars all Us registered. As ROW '80-82 4,5L non S and 4,7L S version have their own VIN sequences there are two ROW's and one US car. There are also many US model 928 and some 968 in Europe and confusion can happen in here also.
BTW, did you get that document I sent you okay?
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Normally WP0CA2967NS840110 cabrio should have different check digit than coupe version. In this case two changes in VIN cancel each other out and both end up with 7.
Jeff
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Those are pretty much the same old incorrect numbers that have been floating around for years (at least for the North American figures) Most of them are off by 60 for each body style in each year. Like these, many others (including Morgan) have incorrectly assumed that Porsche started selling cars at VIN #1. Wrong. Like I said they started at 61.
Jeff
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What about the numbers in the 944 Book from about a decade ago? I have it somewhere around here. I'll have to go dig up my old VIN, too. That car now does track time at NHIS.