jeff968

Randi,
Although I'm still working on the 93s I do have your car.

2,234 968 coupes produced for North American market.
Your car is #793 of the full production run
608 1993s
Your car is #144 of the 1993s

I see it is Amazon Green with the cashmere/black partial leather interior, tiptronic, 17" wheel, dual full power 8 way seats, factory CD player with hi-fi sound.

Jeff

porschenhorses

Thats awesome Jeff thanks! I do love that colour but finding someone who can match it to get some touch ups done is proving to be a major headache.

Randi

Vilhuer

Sticker is US Department of Transportation mandated thing. Its not used in ROW cars. Each car body is stamped with VIN. That is last resort where to look for VIN it if all stickers are gone. In US models that stamped VIN is different than in door sticker, window frame plaque and option sticker but its possible to decipher sticker VIN based on what is stamped to body. Difference is that body VIN do not have safety related option info in it.

When buying car also this stamped VIN should be checked. US DOT uses sticker VIN as only unique VIN which tells what car is. In ROW markets US cars are registered with body VIN. This causes problems sometimes when cars paperwork has different VIN than actual body. Also some US owners have been worried why their car has different VIN in body than in stickers. Its just Porsches way of doing things which has to be known to be able to make sure everything is in order with car and its registration papers.

WP0AA2967NS820110 body should be stamped with WP0ZZZ96ZNS820110 or something close to it. Of the top of my head I can't remember where exactly stamping is but its very likely somewhere in fairly high up in engine bay.

Basically all Porsches made since '83 MY use 0061 as first one of the normal production model series. 0001-0060 were reserved for prototypes and special cars. It seems they weren't actually made at all. Well, 928's at least weren't and its likely 968 were not done either.

https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...in-thread.html

Important point to notice is that there are also ROW 968 VIN sets which have exact same last 4 digits for same MY 968. WP0AA2967NS820110 will have at least one ROW sister car which has VIN WP0ZZ96ZNS8x0110 where X is something else than 2, most likely 0 in case of standard '92 MY coupe. 4 last digits of VIN is not enough to uniquely identify each 968. NS820110 is enough as it says MY, type, market and sequence number within previous three infos of the body.

jeff968

Erkka,
Great info. I always thought my engine compartment VIN was exactly the same as the VIN on the door jam sticker and windshield. I'll have to take a look at that. Another interesting point, many North American 968s have sister cars between the coupe and cabriolet series from a VIN perspective. In the example above with WP0AA2967NS820110 you'll also find a cab with WP0CA2967NS840110. the difference being the two different digits indicate the different body styles.
Jeff

BTW, did you get that document I sent you okay?

ernie9468

Ok my turn migth as well get mine in there to hope the OP don't mind. Prod date 3/93 serial#WPOAA2963PS820530. Any infos will be appreciated Jeff thank you.

jeff968

Ernie, thanks for the production date. As i said, I'm working on the 93s now (I do have 92, 94, and 95 complete). Unfortunately, i don't have your car yet. What i can tell you is that your car is #1119 of the full 2,234 production run and you are #470 of the 608 1993 coupes. Ask me again in the summer for more details.
Jeff

ernie9468

^^ Thank's for the infos Jeff I'll get back to you later on.

rgs944

I do not mind at all Ernie, I am enjoying learning so much great information.

rgs944

Jeff, So far I learned that I have the 50th 968 coupe and the 16th black coupe made for N. America. When I started searching for a 968 I was set on that it would be a black on black six speed coupe or nothing. If I have the 16th N. American A1 black coupe, do you have any idea where I am in the line up for cars with the black interior and six speed as well?

Vilhuer

All US should have different stamping in body than in other places. At the time when body gets VIN in production line its not necessarily known what safety equipment will be installed at other end of the line. Number of airbags and style of seatbelts determine what must be put into digits 4-6 in sticker VIN. When 4-6 digits are not known check digit in position 9 cannot be calculated either. Thus need for using ZZZ ROW style VIN in body stamping.

As do ROW cabrios and Turbo S. This mean there can be up to 5 different cars which have same last 4 digits. ROW CS has its own VIN sequence also but it starts from 15061 so last 4 digits are different than in other 5 sets.

Normally WP0CA2967NS840110 cabrio should have different check digit than coupe version. In this case two changes in VIN cancel each other out and both end up with 7. 9th can be number between 0 and 9 or letter X. It can be calculated when other 16 digits are known.
http://www.angelfire.com/ca/TORONTO/VIN/checkdigit.html

In some cases to add to the confusion there is at least 1000 pairs of 928 in US where both original US model and grey import ROW car happen to have same ending in VIN. Same MY, very similar looking VIN yet two or sometimes even three different cars all Us registered. As ROW '80-82 4,5L non S and 4,7L S version have their own VIN sequences there are two ROW's and one US car. There are also many US model 928 and some 968 in Europe and confusion can happen in here also.

Got it just fine. I thought I already responded but quess not. I'll get back to you by email at later time.

jeff968

Yes, they are always the same (other then the 2 characters mentioned earlier) except at the end of the series production line when they differ. For example, 649 92 NA coupes made and 667 92 NA cabs made. All have a VIN match (coupe/cab) except the last 18 cabs as they produced more of them.
Jeff

Matt Murray

Here's what I have on file from Michael G. Wachholz (something prior to 2005 [post hard drive boot sector death]).

jeff968

Matt,
Those are pretty much the same old incorrect numbers that have been floating around for years (at least for the North American figures) Most of them are off by 60 for each body style in each year. Like these, many others (including Morgan) have incorrectly assumed that Porsche started selling cars at VIN #1. Wrong. Like I said they started at 61.
Jeff

Matt Murray

What about the numbers in the 944 Book from about a decade ago? I have it somewhere around here. I'll have to go dig up my old VIN, too. That car now does track time at NHIS.

jeff968

well, if they add up to 2,234 for coupes and 2,008 for cabs then they are correct. I have all the VINs.