PNine64

Moaning...you should sell it as is sits for 10K. You won't get the money out of it if you spend $14K.

Other thoughts:

Have you considered a second opinion?

I wouldn't want to take my motor to a guy who "mostly" does chevy's but is a little slow and decides he might want to try one of them fancy German engines.

I suppose you could drop a used motor in there and sell yours.

Jim Richards

A few years ago I drove my last Porsche ('73 911E) approximately 6000 miles over 18 days without problems. It was a fantastically simple car to work on. My old '95 993 was easy to work on too, although not quite as simple as the 73E. It's true that there are issues with some model years. Many of these problems were taken care of by previous owners. Yours probably wasn't. It seems like you didn't do a thorough job of checking it out before money changed hands. I'm sorry for your experience. I hope you find a nice Subie and enjoy it for many years.

hawk911

you might have gotten more sympathy if your initial post had been asking for help, rather than bashing the brand/breed. i always say it's not what you say, but how you say it that matters.

Porsche964FP

Hi Moffman,

Here I am! Don't sell the car - If you do make sure the prospective buyer gets a PPI

Hope your oil changing calamities worked out?

Hi Guy,

1. I'm sorry to hear about your troubles.

2. This simply seems to be a case of you not having done your due diligence.
I appreciate all your research through the car's history and 99% of the time this should suffice.

However a PPI is essential, no one should gamble $24,000. It's never about the probabilities - It's about the consequences.

It seems your research was done in the wrong order. You should have done all your googling before hand.

3. By your own admission all 964 owner must be rather dim. How could we buy a car that clearly doesn't work? Or is it possible you and your situation are an extreme case?

4. As stated we feel for your frustration however there is no need to be abusive. Clearly, if the brand/ model was so terrible it wouldn't be so revered today. Unless you and a few others are the only bright sparks out there that know the truth!

PS. Porsche is one of the most profitable car manufactures, and the most profitable sports car manufacturer in history. They almost bought VW Group.

Clearly their marketing must be the hypnotic, or their product works often enough?

6. I believe you are a victim of a dud. You are clearly experiencing some pretty extreme coincidences.

7. You will never see your money back and unless your a Porsche nut and want to keep the car regardless of cost ( and we absolutely understand why you wouldn't be in this case ) I suggest that you sell and move on.

8. Buy a good pair of sneakers and a bus pass - hopefully the bus won't go wrong - worse case if it does it won't cost you a dime! Besides "The 911 wasn't designed to be something to everyone but everything to someone".

Joking aside - wishing you all the best.

You've captured the essence!

altarchsa

Guy,

You're absolutely right on every count. I hope you can sell the car soon so you can move past this terrible experience and onto a web forum for your next car.

BTW, my P.O. had $11,300 in mechanic bills that hadn't even been paid yet. Even with all the repairs, I dropped a valve within the first 4 months of ownership. Maybe your and your P.O.'s shop can share a little of the blame. I've had my car nearly 5 years now and I'm still exhilarated every time I walk up to it, ready for another exciting drive.

Indycam

Get a nice used motor , part out the old motor .
Put in your "new" motor yourself .
Get a nice rebuilt alternator for $200ish iirc , put it in yourself , its not that hard to do .

Or just cut your loses and give me the car . I love junk .

Moffman

I finally got myself one of those PPI's you keep blammering about.


As for the oilchange gone wrong, a shop is fixing my stupidity.

elbeee964

Sounds like you're pissing on Porsche instead of your own lack of due diligence.
Porsche, as a rule doesn't make "junk" - your self-convincing perceptions not withstanding.
The folks on this forum are pretty savvy, machinery-wise, and would be a helluva lot more vocal than you if what you've said were true.
That certainly not being the case, I'd take this as an object lesson on what happens when not practicing due diligence (i.e., a thorough, independent pre-purchase inspection.)
And, no - it's not the 'fault' of "the gentleman" who sold you the car. ["I won't guarantee any horse I sell has four legs" - Lazarus Long]

So, pull up your big boy pants, take this as one of life's lesser-costing educational moments - and move on.

(And that education isn't the stereotype of "All Porsches are junk".)

GuyMonnin

Porsche owners love the same thing about the cars that I do. Although I only drove it 68-miles, I figured out what the buzz was about. The sound of the flat six, billet like solidity, all parts working as one. It is mechanical perfection, if it works. I just can't figure out why (WHY!!!???) Porsche didn't forge a solid crankcase instead of a two piece oil leak waiting to happen. Why they didn't use proper gaskets with proper torque ratings on the bits that hold the oil in????

Just very frustrating and VERY expensive.

boxsey911

When did the engine fail? Oh, that's right it didn't because I've just re-read your first post! Which went something like you drove into your mechanic's shop and complained about the engine leaking a bit of oil. You then let him pull the engine apart and he now wants to charge you $14K to put it all back together again so that it's as good as new. He's a sharp cookie that mechanic of yours . I don't think it was the engine that failed (it didn't stop working of its own accord), I think it was you that failed to take stock and ask for advice

hawk911

^^^
exactly!

If someone wanted to spend $10K of my money, dammit I'd ask for a second opinion

elbeee964

Weight.
(And a drippy engine is not what brought you to your current state of affairs.)


They (Porsche) did, insofar as my car is example.

I can appreciate that.
But the most expensive part was buying into your car's condition based mostly on trust.

With Porsches, I've been hugely rewarded by the advice: Trust - but verify.

germanspeed

Sounds like someone should go buy a new Honda civic and call it a day....Owning a Porsche is much more of a hobby in itself. Everyone knows sports cars are expensive to maintain...sounds like GuyMonnin just got a dose of reality. I love my 964 like a member of my family....despite just dropping $5k on routine maintenance. STOP COMPLAINING....

goofballdeluxe

Guy, did you get a PPI that included a compression and leakdown test before you bought the car? You haven't mentioned that. Please let us know.

If so, you had some very bad luck.

If not, you've just learned the hard way that one must ALWAYS have a used car completely checked out BEFORE you buy.

My car has more miles and has none of the problems you have. It's not Porsche that's a piece of crap. It's YOUR Porsche that is.

Sorry that you got burned, but if you didn't get a PPI with a compression and leakdown test before you bought, you should be mad at yourself, not the car.

Mc.Queen 964

LOL

I think that you had bad lucky, If you were conscious of the "problems" of that cars, you would buy another for the same price but in good conditions.