NineMeister

That's correct, our car has had a light rear end knock at some stage and had the later RS centre section fitted, we already have the correct 1990 panel to refit when we get around to doing the paintwork.


Mel,
If you can let me have a scan or copy of the photo of the original 33 cup cars I would appreciate it. As you say, with chassis number 007 it is likely that it is the green one from the photo but I am not holding my breath because we do not know what colour the no's 034-050 were!

fstockcarrera

I understand a pre RS (Trophe?0 car, Is That what you mean by pre cup race car? Please post a scan of the pic. Bob

Cuppie

All Cup Cars did Ian -I never liked the bulbous RS centre anyway!!

fstockcarrera

What are you refering too? Bob

DrJupeman

Interesting, I saw the car, but didn't know its origin. I just remembered seeing an Excellence article/sidebar that noted the Hakkinen car being in FL.

Cuppie

Colin -the poster is 4' x 3' -I'll try a pic on my phone and send it to you, and a pic of the model ;-)

Bob -Euro 964RS's have centre section with two bulbous ends containing the number plate lights -goodness knows why -IMNVHO it spoils the looks of a great car!!

AFAIK the Hakkinen car was totally rebuilt in the States, I think I have a copy of the spec somewhere, and sold in the US probably three yrs ago for the equicvalent of £80,000........

Laurence Gibbs

I thought 92 and on spec cup cars were based on 964RS and therefore had the RS rear bumper?????? Earlier cups based on C2????????
The change in bumper I beleive was for lighting / number plate visabilty laws in some countries. With the lower car the number plate on the c2 style bumper would not be visible enough allegedly.

NineMeister

Hot news - 007 is going to the track next week for a good old shakedown. Me and Marc have booked Donnington for a trackday next Tuesday, so whilst not a competitive run out at least the old girl will be given an airing in the finest possible sense. Can't wait.

Geoffrey

I bet you can't wait...that should be a great time, I wish I could go...

NineMeister

Geoffrey,
Just catch a flight to Manchester, I'll pick you up on the way.... but don't forget to bring your helmet.

Rick DeMan

That 92 cup you were refering to belongs to Fran Constantino...he resides in Florida and N.Y.....he had the car restored...

NineMeister

The good news is that from a car point of view the track test went well, 007 behaving faultlessly throughout the day, uunlike our supercharged 968 which blew the baffles out of its exhaust!. The demise of the 968 meant that we had an opportunity to swap the 18" cup wheels between the cars and hence ran with Dunlop D01J track tyres in the afternoon rather than slippery Bridgstone SO2's.

On the Dunlops both myself and Marc managed to get the car down into the 1m 24s despite it being my first full trackday at the Donnington circuit (Marc's 4th visit), although consistent lapping was a problem due to the plethora of slow cars and the interuptions because of cars stopping on circuit. I would estimate that with a few suspension adjustments, a dry day and hot tyres we should be into the 1m 22's.

The plan for the winter is to strip and clean the interior, refit the original plastic fuel tank, respray the exterior and refit the correct rear bumper section. From what we can gather the Trophy cars ran on 17" aluminium Cup 1 wheels (the mags were not made then), so a set of these will be located and fitted to go with our spare original 18" Cup 1 splitrims.


Regarding the provenence of 007, we have managed to do a little more digging. Checking Porsche records proved interesting, from what we have found chassis numbers 001-034 and 040 were first registered on the Porsche system in february 1990 and hence logic says that these are the 35 cars that raced in the 1990 Porsche Trophy Cup. One other number was registered in May and the remaining cars up to 048 were registered later in the year, although 049 was not registered until 1992. Unfortunately the system records all these motorsport cars in one default colour & black trim.

Now, if the Porsche computer records are correct, this puts 007 in with the 35 cars that were raced, which is confirmed by the promotion posters/photos from the series which show the 35 cars in a circle. Of the cars photographed there is only one in Signal/Viper green, which we know was the one driven by Olaf Manthey to the Championship victory, and due to now having the date of build of the cars confirmed we are now convinced that this is the car we have. Hopefully we will also have a letter from Porsche confirming the build details soon, maybe this will come up with the original purchaser.

fstockcarrera

Regarding the provenence of 007, we have managed to do a little more digging. Checking Porsche records proved interesting, from what we have found chassis numbers 001-034 and 040 were first registered on the Porsche system in february 1990 and hence logic says that these are the 35 cars that raced in the 1990 Porsche Trophy Cup. One other number was registered in May and the remaining cars up to 048 were registered later in the year, although 049 was not registered until 1992. Unfortunately the system records all these motorsport cars in one default colour & black trim.

Now, if the Porsche computer records are correct, this puts 007 in with the 35 cars that were raced, which is confirmed by the promotion posters/photos from the series which show the 35 cars in a circle. Of the cars photographed there is only one in Signal/Viper green, which we know was the one driven by Olaf Manthey to the Championship victory, and due to now having the date of build of the cars confirmed we are now convinced that this is the car we have. Hopefully we will also have a letter from Porsche confirming the build details soon, maybe this will come up with the original purchaser.[/QUOTE]

Thanks Colin very interesting. My 0030 90 cup was raced that first season as #28 by Rolf Goring with the Echin race team ,which is not in the poster of the original 35 cars. Who did you contact @ Porsche for the build sheet? I Believe these early cups where M64-01/ G50-3 drive trains with maybe a re flashed chip which Geoffrey is reseaching this winter.
Glad the 07 had a good run.

Cheers

NineMeister

It always helps when you are building a 911SC Rally car from the ground up for the dealer principle of the local Porsche Centre!

I'll double check the chassis numbers and dates with my business partner Marc later today, he had the conversation with our contact and has a list.

Regarding the cup chip, our car seems to have a later ecu which is marked "Lonati" but when I get chance I'll pull the chip and flash Geoffrey a couple of copies.

Geoffrey

Colin,

Sounds like you had a great time and with the plan you are putting together, there should be no reason not to show up here for our Advanced Driving event in May at WGI. We will be doing a story on the 964 Euro Cup cars to be featured in a magazine and it would be a shame not to have a championship winning car, especially if it has fresh paint.

As best as I can tell, the 1990 cars ran with the 0 261 200 473 Bosch numbered brain in the 964.618.124.00 Porsche numbering series. I believe that Bob's is original with an original chip. I bought the eeprom programming hardware so I can read the chips of all of the cars here to try to confirm that. The 1990 chassis should be a C4 chassis with seam welding applied. Further, as Bob mentions, I believe they run the M64/01 engine and G50/03 transmission. All of this because the Euro RS was not produced until 1992.

I have never seen a 1991 Cup car, so I have no idea the configuration of that car. However, if the pictures and information I gathered from the 1991 C4RS lightweight is any indication, it too would have a M64/01 engine, G50/03 trans and a 0 261 200 473 Bosch numbered brain in the 964.618.124.01 Porsche numbering series which would be one without the fuel quality switch.

The 1992 Cup cars were definitely produced from the Euro RS and have the Euro RS body and running gear, meaning M64/03, G50/10, and a 0 261 200 483 Bosch numbered brain in the 964.618.124.04 Porsche numbering series.

I'll be interested in seeing what your car has for a chip.