cobalt

The BRG car is an enigma. By all rights it looks factory but how is wearing BRG paint as a factory color and code when BRG was never offered.

I will try to see what the vin says when run through the system and post tomorrow.

I agree I think people are starting to realize what deferred maintenance on these cars can cost. The BRG car is another that will need some work. Original shocks have to be shot by now.

The linen gray is a nice combo and great interior. I am not sure how that car can run that low with tires that wide on PSS10's and not rub and bottom out. I am running MCS and at RS+5mm and I still bottom out occasionally.

Ken D

Here's a 964 Carrera RS that was special ordered in British Racing Green. Has color code sticker "21A 92" for BRG and coded L998 paint to sample.

911Jetta

I don't get the market anymore... but I do know that there is an awesome '91 C2 Cobalt Blue 964 sitting in a warehouse ready for it's next owner: https://sites.google.com/view/cobaltblue964?usp=sharing


Appearing period correct as it left the factory in 1991, this 964 C2 is ready for any group rally or weekend epic drive. As a true 964, it pulls off that balance of raw and comfortable. All the important modifications are done below the skin, with a focus on improving handling performance and driver engagement. The suspension, steering, shifting and braking systems have all been tightened up. Yet this 964 remains all-day comfortable and ready to drive across the country in air-conditioned comfort. I can’t however vouch for the quality of the audio system…

jreifler

So none of the BaT bidders reached out for a sale ?

s65e90

Years ago, no one wanted any of these funky colored interiors and now that maroon interior 964 is already at 100k with 6 days left. Crazy. I don't get the market either, so last year I bought mine before things seemed too crazy.

rsabeebe

i agree. i think it's unfair to the seller and puts it on the buyer to compare records and make their own determination. it's a catch-22. the gears are plastic and get brittle. we all know this. but, for BAT to label all cars with a speedo repair included in the paperwork as TMU only hurts the seller. now, otoh, it's possible that many miles could be missing. it's also not as if a speedo replacement took place. that used to be the old scenario with cars getting a new speedo with '0' miles. this is still the original speedo, minus 2 small gears. timing of the repair and down time are the only variables.

forbiddenbeat

Wait, they list TMU if the odometer was fixed? I assumed they only did that if TMU/mileage unknown was actually on the title.

RapidGT

If that’s the case then pretty much every air cooled Porsche is a TMU. Majority of cars have the plastic gears that operate the odometer fail due to age or use. One way you can verify the true mileage is by the cars documentation showing consistent mileage readings. If the car has zero or very little documentation then safe to assume it’s a TMU. Maybe you can determine if the car has low or high mileage based on the condition and wear around the car, but documentation is the best way to tell if the mileage shown is accurate.

jeff33702

This might apply more to lower mileage cars. There are many aspects to weigh when determing how much you can trust a listing. Title history jumping from state to state in quick succession...private seller or dealer...how long has the dealer had it...has any restoration been done recently..and of course, the overall condistion of the car. Cars that are over 100k don't usually have much to hide. Mine for example is over 140k - registration info from a few owners and reported mileage always progressive - speedo works. If someone tells me I'm trying to hide something at 140k, they will be ignored.

cobalt

Interesting. Thanks for sharing so at least the frunk sticker says PTS.

I can't tell you how many A/C 911's i know are TMU. I know of many who swap out the speedos or drove for miles with broken gears. Others had switches installed to kill the signal to the speedo. I never look at the mileage as honest. Usually the car will tell how many miles it has but with ice blasting and other new techniques it is getting harder to tell.

s65e90

Sadly yes, but read what you wrote and that's literally the definition of TMU

s65e90

People tend to forget that most older cars had 5 digit odometers and they are all listed as TMU now on titles as the mileage rolls over. It's not that big of a deal as I see it, but BAT is another world. I literally chose not to list a vehicle there to not have to deal with the peanut gallery's antics.

RapidGT

This red RSA is going up for auction in a month at Porsche 75th Anniversary auction. A three option car (doesn’t have A/C) and 7k miles. I saw this car at RPM Sports Cars when Ray had it. One of the cleanest 964’s I have ever seen. Been passed around since then. Marshall Goldman had it last not long ago for $270k.

https://www.broadarrowauctions.com/v...911-rs-america

forbiddenbeat

That's a good point. It's so easy to fiddle with mileage, although I wouldn't have expected anyone was doing it on purpose. But you're right, I'd rather have a car with 120k+ miles on it with solid mechanicals and great overall condition than one with 30k that is leaking like a sieve and clearly has some stories.

crgracer92

In addition to that, states such as Florida will list cars as mileage exempt over a certain age. Condition of seats, carpets and underbody will go a long way. I've looked at cars with less than 40,000 miles shown which looked like they had 120k+ miles of use.