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09-19-2003, 04:52 PM
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Matt H
I've sold (3) sets to Rennlisters.
You can find them used for a deep discount.
Also I seem to remember someone on this list finding Siemens injectors for around $300... Search the archives.
I've sold (3) sets to Rennlisters.
You can find them used for a deep discount.
Also I seem to remember someone on this list finding Siemens injectors for around $300... Search the archives.
09-19-2003, 04:55 PM
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toddk911
I don't understand anything you just posted....
Can you articulate more.
>>>Same hp results, only difference is custom chips vs. MAF <<<
Same HP as what?
>>>Custom chips $100-200----- Pro M MAF $1200<<<
What exactly are you comparing?
I don't understand anything you just posted....
Can you articulate more.
>>>Same hp results, only difference is custom chips vs. MAF <<<
Same HP as what?
>>>Custom chips $100-200----- Pro M MAF $1200<<<
What exactly are you comparing?
09-19-2003, 06:37 PM
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09-19-2003, 06:40 PM
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crazy- thanks for the link (I suppose the 57 lb/hr would be sufficient)
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09-19-2003, 07:11 PM
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MattH - Thats where I bought my injectors as well. GOod prices.
TonyG - I know two guys running the PRO-M on their blown stangs but mainly 1/4 mile runs.... they tell me that they have had trouble tuning their cars with this unit. They are running some high HP numbers and have had a hell of a time tuning with it..... Some of the issues they ran accross was the lack of tuneability and no way to fine tune it. I think on a modest setup the Pro-M may work well but if you are hoping to go mid to high 300Rwhp the unit may not be what you are looking for....
Also that list of the upgrades you list is great!! Good alternative for guys looking for a total solution........ It is definitely a do-able alternative I must say!!........... but the numbers seem a little on the high side 335rwhp on 17 psi..... although I agree a k-27 is easily capable of those numbers, I don't think it will make it without some head or exhaust/intake work to get these kind of numbers.
TonyG - I know two guys running the PRO-M on their blown stangs but mainly 1/4 mile runs.... they tell me that they have had trouble tuning their cars with this unit. They are running some high HP numbers and have had a hell of a time tuning with it..... Some of the issues they ran accross was the lack of tuneability and no way to fine tune it. I think on a modest setup the Pro-M may work well but if you are hoping to go mid to high 300Rwhp the unit may not be what you are looking for....
Also that list of the upgrades you list is great!! Good alternative for guys looking for a total solution........ It is definitely a do-able alternative I must say!!........... but the numbers seem a little on the high side 335rwhp on 17 psi..... although I agree a k-27 is easily capable of those numbers, I don't think it will make it without some head or exhaust/intake work to get these kind of numbers.
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09-19-2003, 07:32 PM
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crazyracer, thanks a lot for the link!!
TonyG, I appreciate your posting the alternative with the K27 - that's the kind of info that really helps me, to know all possible alternatives.
Sam
TonyG, I appreciate your posting the alternative with the K27 - that's the kind of info that really helps me, to know all possible alternatives.
Sam
09-19-2003, 07:54 PM
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"TonyG, I appreciate your posting the alternative with the K27 - that's the kind of info that really helps me, to know all possible alternatives. "
Oh, I thought I was the one that posted the alternatives to spending $2,500 to get same results as $1,200, oh well
Not looking for glory, just don't want people to become the Porsche cliche, "Drop it off at the mech or tuner shop and give them a blank check" ( all money and no brains). There are many mays to achieve performance with out just dropping big money.
Tony, I was saying that the upgrades I listed get the same results as yours, but for half the price. The only difference being custom chips vs. the Pro M MAF, or any maf for that matter, except custom chips run you about $100-200 and the MAF's run you about $800-1,200.
p.s. Tony, remember I am the guy that spent 5$ on a "custom" IC pipe and $8 on a "custom" test pipe and dares anyone to produce a dyno sheet showing a hp justification for spending several hundred dollars on the afore mentioned.
Oh, I thought I was the one that posted the alternatives to spending $2,500 to get same results as $1,200, oh well
Not looking for glory, just don't want people to become the Porsche cliche, "Drop it off at the mech or tuner shop and give them a blank check" ( all money and no brains). There are many mays to achieve performance with out just dropping big money.Tony, I was saying that the upgrades I listed get the same results as yours, but for half the price. The only difference being custom chips vs. the Pro M MAF, or any maf for that matter, except custom chips run you about $100-200 and the MAF's run you about $800-1,200.
p.s. Tony, remember I am the guy that spent 5$ on a "custom" IC pipe and $8 on a "custom" test pipe and dares anyone to produce a dyno sheet showing a hp justification for spending several hundred dollars on the afore mentioned.
09-19-2003, 08:27 PM
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toddk911
The problem with your method is that you are not using a MAF or MAP sensor to meter the air. Specifically, the stock air meter is maxed out long before 335HP at the wheels. Therefore, you have no meter resolution, no means of measuring the air past a certain point and are relying strictly on a chip to do the job, and that's a little risky.
Further, the factory air meter is a restriction in the airflow leading to the turbo. The gains have been well documented and proven on a dyno with respect to HP utilizing the factory air meter vs a MAF/MAP.
This is one area that is a definite limiting factor not only in terms of performance, but also with respect to reliability.
And... concerning the test pipe.... Unless replace the entire section of pipe where the cat is located with your generic piping, you will never make as much power (apples-to-apples, psi-to-psi) as you will with a test pipe. Again... this has been proven, and I have the dyno sheets to back it up.
The problem with your method is that you are not using a MAF or MAP sensor to meter the air. Specifically, the stock air meter is maxed out long before 335HP at the wheels. Therefore, you have no meter resolution, no means of measuring the air past a certain point and are relying strictly on a chip to do the job, and that's a little risky.
Further, the factory air meter is a restriction in the airflow leading to the turbo. The gains have been well documented and proven on a dyno with respect to HP utilizing the factory air meter vs a MAF/MAP.
This is one area that is a definite limiting factor not only in terms of performance, but also with respect to reliability.
And... concerning the test pipe.... Unless replace the entire section of pipe where the cat is located with your generic piping, you will never make as much power (apples-to-apples, psi-to-psi) as you will with a test pipe. Again... this has been proven, and I have the dyno sheets to back it up.
09-19-2003, 09:09 PM
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Originally posted by crazyracer
Low-z Siemens are the ones you need, plus the ballast resistors do it yourself.
Low-z Siemens are the ones you need, plus the ballast resistors do it yourself.
09-20-2003, 01:06 AM
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Shaheed
Call around... Someone told me a couple of weeks ago they got theirs done for $450.
Turbo-Performance.com
Turboperformance.com
Powerhaus.com
Just search around on google...
Call around... Someone told me a couple of weeks ago they got theirs done for $450.
Turbo-Performance.com
Turboperformance.com
Powerhaus.com
Just search around on google...
09-20-2003, 01:39 AM
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I wonder what this price includes... I assume a conversion from a k26/6 to a k27/6. I'm just not sure I want to do this, for just going to a larger compressor (for all the work). W/the feedback you give, it's a tough choice...
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09-20-2003, 01:41 AM
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Ahmet
That is correct. That price (or price range) is to convert a stock non TurboS K26/6 turbo into a K27/6 turbo.
The price includes the compressor housing and wheel, balance, new seals, etc...
That is correct. That price (or price range) is to convert a stock non TurboS K26/6 turbo into a K27/6 turbo.
The price includes the compressor housing and wheel, balance, new seals, etc...
