Calling out Special Tool, 1/4 mile race
08-02-2007, 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Porschefile
555R's or what? Just make sure you get DR's as R compounds still don't compare to the grip of a good drag radial. 
Yeah the Nittos - thats what TMS had. Seemed to work pretty well.
08-02-2007, 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Under Pressure Performance
Tool and TMS,
I commend you both for showing up and running - Heck, excuse free for the most part.
You both have room for improvement, no doubt, but quite honestly, the results were about what I expected to see. Truth be told, I made this prediction to TMS some time ago. While TMS gives up power to Tool, he has a decent powerband, which worked in his favor given his setup. Tool makes more top end power, but has trouble putting it down from the get go.
All other things remaining the same, if you put Tool on a drag radial, my prediction will be that TMS still comes out slightly ahead in regard to ET. However, tools ET would improve greatly, and his trap speed would likely be somewhere around 130 - 9/10's is a lot to make up, regardless of the launch. Tool would have to improve his launch by almost half a second and get decent traction the rest of the way.
I know both these guys have room to improve, but I think TMS's improvements will yield a shorter ET with trap speed gains secondary, and I think Tool's improvements will yield a higher trap speed, with ET gains secondary. Just the nature of the two beasts. Overall, I think the gap will narrow, but I still think TMS will squeak out the quicker ET - Again, all things being the same, just Tool on a drag radial.
You both make me wish I had something together so I could come out and play - Maybe next time??
Either way, Kudos to you both for showing up and being stand-up about the whole thing.
I commend you both for showing up and running - Heck, excuse free for the most part.
You both have room for improvement, no doubt, but quite honestly, the results were about what I expected to see. Truth be told, I made this prediction to TMS some time ago. While TMS gives up power to Tool, he has a decent powerband, which worked in his favor given his setup. Tool makes more top end power, but has trouble putting it down from the get go.
All other things remaining the same, if you put Tool on a drag radial, my prediction will be that TMS still comes out slightly ahead in regard to ET. However, tools ET would improve greatly, and his trap speed would likely be somewhere around 130 - 9/10's is a lot to make up, regardless of the launch. Tool would have to improve his launch by almost half a second and get decent traction the rest of the way.
I know both these guys have room to improve, but I think TMS's improvements will yield a shorter ET with trap speed gains secondary, and I think Tool's improvements will yield a higher trap speed, with ET gains secondary. Just the nature of the two beasts. Overall, I think the gap will narrow, but I still think TMS will squeak out the quicker ET - Again, all things being the same, just Tool on a drag radial.
You both make me wish I had something together so I could come out and play - Maybe next time??
Either way, Kudos to you both for showing up and being stand-up about the whole thing.
With grip and good driving a 112 mph car beats a 125 + mph car no time .....
ST with proper tires and driving should net 5/10 over TMS..
I will also add that of the 2 time slips ST MPH shows he has more to work with
for fast ET's , Both cars can improve of course as the best 60" was 1.9 but with current 951 axles 1.7 is possibly the best with DR tires , which will put TMS @ 12.0 and ST with that MPH should see 11.7 if all remains equal ....
Congrats to TMS as he made it happen .....
I did not expect ST to turn up to a drag race with Firestones
08-02-2007, 11:27 AM
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08-02-2007, 11:57 AM
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St said, Most people were impressed with the stopping power of the 951. After they crossed the line, they broke hard and used the 1st turn off.(the one people who breakdown use,lol)
08-02-2007, 12:21 PM
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I don't agree with the prediction that tool will only be going 11.7 when hooked up
from my experience it really is a wasted run when you spin that much.
I think that if he hooks it (even reasonably) and doesn't break anything it will run very low 11's to high 10's @ close to 130. You actually lose MPH when spinning so badly.
So my prediction is (if no breakage on Drag radials)
1.65 60'
10.80 @132
Tool you should look into using some 15" wheels with a taller sidewall for this. The tires are cheaper and the sidewall flex helps with the initial shock.
from my experience it really is a wasted run when you spin that much.
I think that if he hooks it (even reasonably) and doesn't break anything it will run very low 11's to high 10's @ close to 130. You actually lose MPH when spinning so badly.
So my prediction is (if no breakage on Drag radials)
1.65 60'
10.80 @132
Tool you should look into using some 15" wheels with a taller sidewall for this. The tires are cheaper and the sidewall flex helps with the initial shock.
08-02-2007, 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by blown 944
I don't agree with the prediction that tool will only be going 11.7 when hooked up
from my experience it really is a wasted run when you spin that much.
I think that if he hooks it (even reasonably) and doesn't break anything it will run very low 11's to high 10's @ close to 130. You actually lose MPH when spinning so badly.
So my prediction is (if no breakage on Drag radials)
1.65 60'
10.80 @132
Tool you should look into using some 15" wheels with a taller sidewall for this. The tires are cheaper and the sidewall flex helps with the initial shock.
from my experience it really is a wasted run when you spin that much.
I think that if he hooks it (even reasonably) and doesn't break anything it will run very low 11's to high 10's @ close to 130. You actually lose MPH when spinning so badly.
So my prediction is (if no breakage on Drag radials)
1.65 60'
10.80 @132
Tool you should look into using some 15" wheels with a taller sidewall for this. The tires are cheaper and the sidewall flex helps with the initial shock.
We are working on it, stay tuned.
I have some GOOD help.
The problem is that the smaller wheels won't fit over the brakes.....
And if I start changing brakes and stapling a Ford 9" rear on it (ETC) then its not a 951 any more.
I don't mind using the IRS as an excuse for 10's, but not for 13's - that just sucks.
08-02-2007, 01:23 PM
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Hats off to you gents!
Drag racing corner carvers hahhahaha
So tool did you use your launch control / flat foot shift gizmo? aside from obvious traction issues how did it work?
Drag racing corner carvers hahhahaha
So tool did you use your launch control / flat foot shift gizmo? aside from obvious traction issues how did it work?
08-02-2007, 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by 333pg333
Is there not a real risk with our CV's by using proper drag radials?
Ummmmm.. I going to have to vote. Yes... Mine broke this SUnday with the Nittos. NT555R
08-02-2007, 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by 2bridges
Hats off to you gents!
Drag racing corner carvers hahhahaha
So tool did you use your launch control / flat foot shift gizmo? aside from obvious traction issues how did it work?
Drag racing corner carvers hahhahaha
So tool did you use your launch control / flat foot shift gizmo? aside from obvious traction issues how did it work?
acually - that's the thing that worked the best last night.
Both 60 foot times were 2.14 (within 1/100 or somehing crazy) and remember, this is a guy who has had NEVER been to the dragstrip before last night - so you know the gizmo did all the work - sure as hell wasn't me.
Sounds slow, but its the consistency that I like, plus street tires too.
So I am going to go ahead and congradulate the hell out of myself for doing that .
08-02-2007, 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by special tool
acually - that's the thing that worked the best last night.
Both 60 foot times were 2.14 (within 1/100 or somehing crazy) and remember, this is a guy who has had NEVER been to the dragstrip before last night - so you know the gizmo did all the work - sure as hell wasn't my ***.
Sounds slow, but its the consistency that I like, plus street tires too.
So I am going to go ahead and congradulate the hell out of myself for doing that .
Both 60 foot times were 2.14 (within 1/100 or somehing crazy) and remember, this is a guy who has had NEVER been to the dragstrip before last night - so you know the gizmo did all the work - sure as hell wasn't my ***.
Sounds slow, but its the consistency that I like, plus street tires too.
So I am going to go ahead and congradulate the hell out of myself for doing that .
2.14 60' does not sound slow for a heavy springed escort with sway bars, etc, etc on street tires.
That is awfully good launch consistancy - especially for a rookie
Well done first time out.
08-02-2007, 05:22 PM
#553
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Originally Posted by special tool
Yes - we were talking about this, this morning.
We are working on it, stay tuned.
I have some GOOD help.
The problem is that the smaller wheels won't fit over the brakes.....
And if I start changing brakes and stapling a Ford 9" rear on it (ETC) then its not a 951 any more.
I don't mind using the IRS as an excuse for 10's, but not for 13's - that just sucks.
We are working on it, stay tuned.
I have some GOOD help.
The problem is that the smaller wheels won't fit over the brakes.....
And if I start changing brakes and stapling a Ford 9" rear on it (ETC) then its not a 951 any more.
I don't mind using the IRS as an excuse for 10's, but not for 13's - that just sucks.
I don't know and from what I have seen changing the pinion angle may not be possible but it has worked on some live axle cars I have worked with. Maybe somethng can be done using the eccentrics on tthe ride height in order to make sure there is some typr of preload on the tires.
Looking at the overall picture if you are able to get the car up on the tires w/o too much spin it should work out well. Have you thought about some coil over or adjustable rate shocks.
I would also recommend removing the front sway bar next time up to keep the weight on the rear after the launch (not too hard to do)
One other thing to note when looking at a drag race situation is you need to keep the rear suspension from bottoming out and then re shocking the tires.
I am really looking forward to the next time up for you.
08-02-2007, 05:30 PM
#554
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BTW ST anyone who knows whats up isn't really paying attention to the 13 sec ET that can be overcome but to your trap speed, there is a lot to work with there.
