Originally Posted by nize

first post updated with side-by-side comparison data and pretty screenshots.

now i'm going to see if i can get this new turbo to spool even faster.

Originally Posted by Geneqco

Hey Nize,

I'm quite interested in your Wolf 3D EMS system. Is it the V500?
How long have you had it for?
How are you controlling knock?
How did you find tuning with it (user friendly interface etc)?
Are you happy with the results?
Is ther any functionality you have lost over stock?
Any other criticisms or comments?

I may take you up on you offer to share maps and likewise would be willing to share the results of any fine tuning on the dyno when the time comes.

Thanks again for the post!

Originally Posted by nize

-it is the v400. the v500 is for 8cylinder motors and is still a bit buggy while the v400 is solid.
-i've had it for about four months.
-knock is controlled by the j&s safeguard, which is a seperate unit specifically dedicated to controlling knock.
-tuning is painstaking but easy to understand and straightforward. it's a very user-friendly and intuitive interface, and comes with lots of help documents.
-i'm very happy with the results.
-i have not lost any functionality over stock. in fact, i've gained a lot of functionality and lost none.
-no criticism here, it's a great system. you can read more comments and such on these threads;
https://rennlist.com/forums/showthre...ghlight=wolf3d

https://rennlist.com/forums/showthre...ghlight=wolf3d

and this one on another forum;
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/showt...hreadid=336610

are you getting your system from lindsey?

Originally Posted by Jeremy Himsel

You know this whole behind the scenes……..one tuner undercutting another thing is just getting so old and to be perfectly honest this is one of the few car boards I see this on. I read on board that have some of the most egotistical self centered maniacs that I’ve ever met and these things rarely ever come up. I guess this is just par for the course when it comes to a group of guys trying to make a living off of a 20 year limited production car the average college kid can afford. I’d hate to say it Nize but these types of posts are probably a long time coming and your just getting the ****ty end of it. Remember that your “tuner” bombarded others with the same types of questions in the past and you’re here expressing your pleasure with his products so however unnecessary it may be, it was coming.

This thread has gotten so far off topic it’s insane so I’ll add my few cents. As an owner of Vitesse products I know every aspect of my “stage 2” turbo. As part of a gentlemen’s agreement I have never repeated those to even my closest friends because the integrity of my word is more important that being a web board hero. If you can’t respect my integrity or agreements then quite frankly….**** Off (this wasn’t intended for any one in specific but more a representation of my attitude). Vic can vouch for that one as he inquired about the wheel sizes when I had it off the car as well and despite our close friendship, I kept it at bay. I did not know what the specs were until after I owned it and quite frankly I didn’t care what they were. What I really cared about was………

1. What RPM would I reach 15psi?
2. What Hp would it make?
3. What’s the upper limit of the turbo’s efficiency range for my particular application?
4. What kind of support or guarantee will I get that the product will perform as advertised?
5. Do you have any real world results that I can review?

To me, price is irrelevant. I just dropped 1600 on pistons I waited two years for and 1200 on rods that are probably overkill for my 3.0L application. When I select a turbo, price will be irrelevant as well. I just want whatever I purchase to perform to my expectations without having to look back and second guess myself. For me that was the beauty of the Vitesse products. I recently installed some products from another vendor that kind of pissed me off a bit because what they told me as far as fitment and “issues” during pre purchase turned out to be a whole different story post purchase and all of a sudden they were new issues they were sure they told me about. Had I know this before hand I would have still purchased the product but would have had a different approach and probably saved myself quite a bit of time.

As far as Vic’s turbo’s go, again I could care less what his wheel sizes are provided I wasn’t getting bull****ted. And while Vic and a number of other people have cried foul over the years for John and his customers for not posting intimate details of the products there will be quite a bit of pressure on them to live up to their values and post specifics as they demanded. Me personally, if he/they doesn’t then I can respect that but see I do see some hypocrisy in it but as always it never amazes me what people will do to make a couple hundred bucks. As a consumer, as long as questions 1, 2, 3, 4, & 5 are answered honestly and openly I don’t care what the specs are so the questions I have to you and/or Vic are…….

1. What RPM would I reach 15psi? (you’ve answered this and I like the results).
2. What HP would it make for my application?
3. What’s the upper limit of the turbo’s efficiency range for my particular application?
4. What kind of support or guarantee will I get that the product will perform as advertised?
5. Do you have any real world results that I can review?

At this point I find a bunch of things on Rennlist and these tuners funny and I’ll only speak about my area. Only a small group of AZ guys are on the list however I know of at least 40 local 944/51 guys that don’t have a clue who some of these tuners are. Additionally I never see Pauertuning, Powerhause, or any other “experts” we hear about on Rennlist campaigning their products at the local tracks each month. Not in the last couple years at least. Any one at a track in Atlanta, or Oklahoma ever see a 944/51 tuner campaigning their products? I bet you have and those are the guys I respect because they’re developing their products in a fashion I’m going to use them in and not sitting on a dyno or basing their products off of VE table they read somewhere or because they have a C. Bell book under their pillow. I find it too funny when local tuners have virtually zero support from their home town but are hero’s on a relatively anonymous web board. Lindsey racing is never on here but yet they manage to stay in business? How does that happen?

I haven’t paid much attention to Rennlist lately because it is becoming a joke now and I could really care less if it is around. For the most part it is 80% entertainment value, 18% communication value (PM’s), and 2% technical value. I’ve also been spending a lot of time playing with my “daily driver” and in my search for a TT kit, just about every tuner out there for it tells me 90% of the turbo specs and most have Dyno numbers but again that offers very little value to me. Ironically very few can tell me how it will perform on the track, about the ease of installation, or how it will perform as a daily driver (at least honestly) so my search continues but 800+ at the wheels with great street ability is the goal………

Nize, assuming your intent of this thread was honorable and I’m betting it was, I like the spool up characteristics and the price of your new turbo and hope to see more unbiased opinions. The fitment issues seem reasonable but I’m really looking forward to see what kind of power you get out of it. My experience with a BB turbo on a 951 was horrible because it made 400 RWHP but felt like a turbo diesel rabbit below 5K. I was recently in another 400 RWHP+ car with a huge Lindsey turbo and it was a raped ape after 4500 but pretty miserable below that which was a complete turnoff for me.

I really hope John D gets a hold of his vendor’s and well as new pseudo vendors who are poaching or there will be very few experienced people left around here.

Originally Posted by ehall

I would have liked to read you unedited version, but all I have to say about this version is...

Originally Posted by nize

the main reason for this post was because when i was researching for the 'best' turbo for a 350whp application on a 951, the only before-and-after side-by-side turbo vs. turbo comparison i could find was from lindsey, who only had journal bearing turbo comparisons. since i was looking for a garrett dual ball bearing turbo and could not find any meaningful reviews, i decided to do my own comparison and post the results.

i'm hoping this post will help other 951 owners who are considering turbo upgrades to a garrett dual ball bearing, so that they don't have to go through the guesswork and weed through the bull**** like i had to.

i'd like to see some more side-by-side turbo vs. turbo reviews without changes in tune, mods, or anything else besides the turbo like i did myself. we need more real comparison reviews, not more theories and speculation.

Originally Posted by schnellfahrer

I spoke to a local turbo specialist today.
He did not recommend the bb turbos from Garrett...
...because they would fail after a relatively short while...

Originally Posted by schnellfahrer

I spoke to a local turbo specialist today.
He did not recommend the bb turbos from Garrett.
He said that Garrett wouldn't warrant these turbos because they would fail after a relatively short while and that he would have to pay for any repairs out of his own pocket when they failed.

He also showed me what he usually sold to 944 owners. It was a huge KKK-thing. Well, at least the compressor and the middle section was KKK. He said he'd dynoed over 600rwhp on a couple of 944 with this turbo.

Originally Posted by billindenver

When you guys are quoting boost numbers at certain RPM's....what gear are you doing so in? I think in such a comparison that the gear selected is of the utmost importance.