333pg333

While we're at it Dfastest what sort of suspension and brake mods are you running on that Landmissile of yours?

DFASTEST951

Just Koni adjustable yellows all the way around set on the stiffest settings with stiffer springs and torsion bars in back. Stock turbo brakes with Pagid orange pads.

pete95zhn

Well, you can count prices from Wes's post, just add that silly price of PCCB rotors...which is at least $10k... Double this for rears too. This has been discussed a lot in GT2/3 forum, and it's not worth the price, and if you track the car, not even recommended. Still, it would drop some jaws.

I can't say anything sure about weigh savings, again search from GT2/3 forum...they know.


I will look for GT2/3/996TT differences and post it later.

whakiewes

The PCCB saves something like 25lbs unsprung per corner. My big reds weight about 4oz less than my 968 standard brakes, so not much of anything there. I am sure I will make up the mass difference with the larger rotors.

The PCCB kind of gets in there with inverted aluminum shocks, hollow control arms, lightweight rear torsion bar replacement, etc... For the professional driver where .2sec off a lap makes a difference, then adding these expensive parts would make sense. Removing unsprung weight improves handling, saves overall weight, and improves the reliablility of the parts as well (provided the lighter weight parts are as durable as their steel counterparts.). The less unsprung weight is also said to make the suspension much more responsive. PCCB gets put into that catagory, but at its current cost, its not very feasible. Rotors are $8000 a piece, pads are rediculous, on top of the original cost. For an F1 driver that needs to stop 1000 times a race from 180mph, there is probably a big benefit, thus they run them. For the guys in club racing, or just our street cars, there would be no benefit other than a lighter wallet.

Porsche also claims that there is no difference in braking differences with PCCB. They only state that when steel brakes start to fail at very high temperatures, PCCB will still be as solid as a rock. Who this affects? GT2's has the power to possibly need this extra braking ability, but for the 350whp 951, or even the 500whp 951 will probably never see this heat. I am thinking that over a 15hr race, the PCCB will hold up better than steel...but all the GT3R and RSR drivers would tell you that their steel brakes work fine.

Wes

RolexNJ

Here are two threads that may address a lot of questions for you guys. I'll leave it at that, as I already have my opinion on them.

And the statement below could easily be contested. How so? Mostly due to a driver's skill level. But first, are you talking about street driving, a weekend warrior, doing a few DEs, club racing, or someone who belongs to various clubs and gets tons of seat time? A novice driver versus a Pro will utilize their brakes and braking zones differently than each other. Fact, not fiction. And some questions: How does each do threshold braking at every straight away? Do they trail brake hard off of turns? How hard is each on their equipment? Those are just a few variables that would warrant the need for better brakes or not.

"Who this affects? GT2's has the power to possibly need this extra braking ability, but for the 350whp 951, or even the 500whp 951 will probably never see this heat."

Good luck.




https://rennlist.com/forums/showthre...ceramic+brakes

https://rennlist.com/forums/showthre...ceramic+brakes

Olli Snellman

Don't forget there is also the "bling-bling" factor with these brakes

RolexNJ

Now you are talking Olli!

SoloRacer

I found these:

http://www.euroeastparts.com/catalog...oducts_id=1206

Guns951

Joe, don't even think of the PCCBs, I had cash in hand and found out its not somewhere we want to go. Wouldn't do much good and will wear out fast and such. Too many problems.

RolexNJ

I have a ton of information I just gathered, but will hold off to post it. And my source is very, very reliable on the topic of racing and PCCB brakes. I may start a new thread, for I am going OT here. Sorry guys. Just wanted to share the wealth of info I gathered, it may make you think twice.

Guns951

He's right, say no to PCCB. I'm all for crazy stuff but even Gen II on our cars would be a waste. Someone's doing construction on the side of the road and a piece of gravel gets in there? Well my friend you just lost $10k.

RolexNJ

Peedster

Thanks for the replies.

Olli, they never made it to me unfortunately! You think it's possible to email them instead lika Pete said?
I would appreciate it so much if I could have them so I could get the damn 951 on the road till the summer. I've only driven it for about 20km so far in 3 years....my girlfriend is starting to get pissed :S

Thanks
/Peter

jmporsche944

Your not really cool unless you roll up to the track with PCCBs....

RolexNJ

And be prepared for the initial cost that is --- >$$$
And rotor replacement costs that are --->$$$

But hey, you got that bling effect and look kool -->