Apexx

Yes, but you must remember that the basic Motec M4 is about $1600.00 with wide band add $1000.00. Then you must purchase a wire harness your choices are raw DIY $400.00 for a 951 if you have built one before you can figure about 60-80hrs more time for first timer or built for your car by Motec ranges from $2-5k.
So if the Wolf3D is truly a plug and play it's not a bad price.
I will say that the Motec is a far superior to the Wolf3D in many ways.
My experience was gained while working at Norwood Autocraft in which we were one of the largest resellers of Motec and Accel DFI systems.

NZ951

Does the Wolf 3D have WB as standard? If not we can discount the $1000 for the motec to get more of a fair comparison. PD are producing harnsses for around $1000 IIRC for their aftermarket computer they sell. So at a minimum the Motec with harness (effectively plug and play then) is $2000, but likely around $3000-$3500, which makes it a much better buy than the inferior Wolf 3D

J Chen

NZ,
A 1000 bucks just for the harness ?
Is there a cheaper way to go about doing the harness ?

NZ951

Firstly, I am not 100% sure thats how much they are! So check with PD. The harness has weather all connectors and fibreglass sheath. So its VERY high quality. You could get the harness off Link, and them wire it in your self. Given it work with your stock sensors, this may be a good option, that will only be a couple of hundred IIRC.

danny951

can we get back to topic? Or is there nothing more to say about the LR vs Vitesse discussion? I personally would like to see some actualy dyno charts from you people who have been making all these HP claims and have them in your signatures.

Lindsey is pretty close to me so that is one thing good,and their kit does include the exhaust and a piggyback system to tune with. I'm not sure which of the three piggybacks is more complete, the mafterburner, power perfect, or the one Vitesse uses..

ehall

"Or is there nothing more to say about the LR vs Vitesse discussion? I personally would like to see some actualy dyno charts"

Well, Vittesse has them posted on the site. Special Tool, and David Floyd have both posted ridiculously good dyno sheets from their Vittesse upgrades, (do a search and you'll find them) I am unaware of a LR sheet, though there may well be one. I have yet to see one on their site. Hope that helps. E

Darius Juca

"I made 338.4 RWHP at low 17psi. Show me a kit that can do that with a stock engine"

mine...and It only has one of the first vitesse stage I........320rwhp at 15 psi... and to let you guys know and I wish I would have spoken sooner...the stage I map on his website is MINE...yes my car put that up BEFORE an engine rebuild.
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can we get back to topic? Or is there nothing more to say about the LR vs Vitesse discussion? I personally would like to see some actualy dyno charts from you people who have been making all these HP claims and have them in your signatures.
Danny951

I bought the car from a previous owner who John knows well...funny thing I had never talked or heard of vitesse and allthough they were in a disagreement to say the least the previous owner had NOTHING BUT GREAT things to say about Vitesse products and services.
I was given 2 dyno charts along with stacks of other paperwork and receipts....the dynocharts are separate from vitesse stage one wich is my actual car....
at 15 psi 93 octane it put out 322rwhp and at 19 psi 100 octane 370rwhp...all before a rebuild.
John is the one who actaully told me to my delight that my cars dyno is the one he shows as his stage I.........wish I had a stage II or III...........but hey I can wait for a stage IV or V

danny951

And I have asked about the ones posted on the Vitesse site. Do you really believe every dyno that the tuner himself puts up on his site? Others have already told me that that dyno run was at 25psi on race gas... I don't think that is the application that is meant for the stage 2 and 3 street car. So yeah, give me some ACTUAL dyno charts.

fast951

danny, again do a search.. Ski posted a link that JWL posted running 1bar boost... The charts on the web site are to show the capabilities of the kits..
And yes the dyno charts are REAL, I care less if you believe it or not, just don't try to suggest that I'm misrepresenting the truth...

Ski

Here is a Vitesse stage II run: engine just rebuilt, barely 1000 miles on it, just 15 psi, 3rd gear, with an exhaust leak.


The owner also got better with the SMT 6 later and had one that was 321/328 at 15psi on 93 but I can't find it on my hard drive.

We put Vitesse race chips in our race car, same 16-17psi, safe A/F ratios and gained almost 23hp/torque, 351/347 respectively.

fast951

Thank you ski.

Now if I can keep a turbo in house for me, I'll dyno the new Stage 2 or 3..

Ski

and jwl and David should have you some new 2.8 IV numbers soon too.? Jim got the engine out this afternoon.

danny951

thanks ski, looks like a great run. very impressive. any other modifications on that car from stock? exhaust, wg, etc..

ehall

"And I have asked about the ones posted on the Vitesse site. Do you really believe every dyno that the tuner himself puts up on his site?" danny951

Uhh Danny boy...Does the tuner NEAR YOU have ANY dyno sheet up? Hmmmm. This wasn't even my fight. I was trying to point you in a decent direction. So now I'll just leave you with this. I've seen the dyno sheets from the people i've mentioned. If you weren't so freaking lazy, or could you not understand the simple english that I used in my post, you would have searched, and found that they were not done on race gas. You might also have found that Vittesse is the only tuner around here, that doesn't need to boast about bull **** numbers. His customers do that...WITH DYNO SHEETS! So... shove it, pal!

Ski

LR DP wastegate, LR II intercooler, LR hard pipe kit, head prepped by Leo Goff at Memphis Motorwerks, 3" SFR exhaust, and lightened flywheel. This is a wicked car at 17psi and race gas, I've driven it, but the engine is giving way to become a 2.8L with Vitesse stage IV.