hosrom_951

I posted regarding the TURBONETICS 60-1 HIFI, it's not your 'off shelf' 60-1HIFI

I honestly think that SOME vendors have two things:

1) Prices are higher when you could get that SAME turbo from a turbobuilder

2) I mentioned this earlier but i shall mention it once more, turbonetics dealer is literally 10 mins away from where i live, how conviniet since all turbocharger vendors are in the US and add shipping plus customer service (sometimes takes days), not to mention of something (god forbid) goes wrong with that turbo, thus sending it again back to the US (my cost) and 'waiting' to see what oes wrong, warrenty issues and so on........

NOW do you see my point? i mentioned this before and besides, some vendors keep 'secrets' and a turbocharger is a big investment, so i like to know what runs in my car (other than a vendors name)

I am NOT specifically aiming this at ANY vendor at all!!!!!!!!

LHC: As i mentioned, turbonetics turbocharger is a 'one off' and different than any other 60-1HIFI out there, getting a chip wouldn't do much since a lot of items would be adressed later on.

I know that this is a 12 page thread and most of you don't read what anyone (majority wise) posted, but i was looking for more than 2 people (if that is the case) running a 60-1HiFi purchased DIRECTLY from turbonetics, specifically the BB version.......

J Chen

Hey Hos,
LHC is correct. Putting aside the BB option, that turbo
you're talking about is not a one off. It's either a pack
of bull or you don't actually know that you can get the
same thing built for you by Majestic, Innovative etc. or
you don't know what you're talking about. Tell me this,
have you actually seen the turbo at hand ? No right ?
So what put's you in the position to say it's a one off.
With just USD1300 plus you're telling me that Turbonetics
will built a one off turbo for you Hos. Do you know what
' One Off ' means. BTW, other turbo shops can supply you
with the BB option as well. Can you please tell me what's
so special about this turbo ?

hosrom_951

One off as in i contacted the dealer and he said that the regrlar 60-1 HIFI is based on turbonetics's own version of a T04E, lightened 60-1 Garrett internals (claimed the lightest in the market), replica #8 hotside (which we know it's slightly larger than stock #8 hotside).

IIRC, i did contact Majestic and two various turbo builders, they pack the standard Garrett 60-1 internals into T04B's (off the shelf products). Turbonetics create a replica T04E (not B) which has some 'mods' done to it internally (don't ask me how) along with the ligher internals and a slightly larger hotside.

No i didn't see that turbo myself in real life, it needs 3-4 weeks for production (claimed by dealer here)

Also their BB option is parts of a small 'tuff turbo' option which includes various internal options (which they wouldn't tell me) that improves the reliability and response of the turbocharger.

That is why i asked who is runninga Turbonetics 60-1 HIFi PURCHASED from them direcly in the beginning of the thread.

It is not 'built for me', they do this (claimed by the dealer) and they could produce this, nothing special for me

Now, is there someone who's going to tell me that Turbonetics is telling me all this just for me to purchase that specific turbocharger? because i got that from almost any turbobuilder........

PS: Im not supporting turbonetics or flaming any vendor (if i did) in anyway, i was being specific from my first post and honestly getting nowehere.


IIRC I also contacted SFR regarding the SFR Stage 3 Turbocharger and waiting for a reply......i was informed by almost everyone that it is a 60-1HIFI

J Chen

Hos,
That's because you never tell them that you want
the TO4E option. Lighter parts hah, well you can get
that too if it exist. You can even ask for a quick spool option.
Ask me why I know. It's not what other vendors can
or cannot do. It's you the end user whose suppose
to ask what option do they have. Aside from this you've
got to learn how to read & calculate which compressor
maps are suitable for your application.

hosrom_951

I yet to see a 60-1HIFI compressor map (not a 60-1 T04B)

There are maps of T04E 50 trim, is the T04E Super 50 different?

J: Before i went into details of the 60-1HIFI for Turbonetics, the FIRST question i asked is that how does that turbo 'fit' a 944 Turbo, and suprising he (Turbonetics here) said that there is one '951 guy' in the US that made several turbo's (including the 60-1HIFI) for that specific car (i mentioned that in page 8-9 i think of this thread).

HE (the dealer) told me what options do they have and i am waiting for a reply from the people in the US regarding anything extra/option for the 60-1 HIFI on the 944 Turbo

I don't see what is the big deal here guys, some of you went 'custom' and people here didn't recommend a certain turbo and yet those people are happy............

If that is the case, then heck i would just simply upgrade to a MAP/MAF, get some #55 injectors, Tial 38mm WG and to hell with the turbocharger...........heck i would save up the $1,000+ and get something else or better yet put it in the bank and wait till i graduate from Uni this year!!

J Chen

Hos,
The problem here is like food. Different people have
different taste buds. Some like spicy food, some don't.
People can give you a rough idea of what it's like but
that may not be to your taste. At the end of the day it's
you who have to ask yourself what are you after.

hosrom_951

I already mentioned numerious time what im looking for yet no 'proper' responses............but with 13 pages i dont think anyone would really have the time to go back and see (i wouldn't do it myself!)

Edman951

Hos,
On page 9 i posted a link to the super 50 map.
Here it is again.
http://sites.vwsport.com/944turbo/T04E-S50-20PSI.jpg

I was sure i had the 60-1 hi-fi map somewere but i can't find it.

But in the end if you can get good service from the local guys. Then go with them. Its always good to encourage the local guys. Just make sure they order it with the KKK turbine housing.

hosrom_951

Edman: You MUST show me how you could copy the windows screen and save it as a pic (PM me with details PLEASE )

Sorry for being ignorant because i didn't see you posting that link on previous pages (but did notice the compressor map pictures you posted)

That damn 60-1 HIFI maps is really needed to compare.....

IIRC: Turbonetics also has the T04E Super 50 under T series in their NEW catalog (not mentioned on website). So, a BB would just improve spool at lower rpms right? does it have any effects in regards to loosing boost at higher rpms of any sort or is it made JUST for spooling? (this wasn't fully covered in previous pages).

Thanks a lot Edman!!!!!!!!

David Floyd

http://not2fast.wryday.com/turbo/maps/

Not sure if this has been posted in earlier pages, lots of maps here but I don't see a 60-1 HI-FI

J Chen

Now that's a good compressor to use Hos.
From 3500 at 74% & all the way to redline
at 78% effeciency. You know how much
torque & power is in there ? Oh just look
at how fat the compressor map is. That
will provide a good power band.

J Chen

Hi Edman,
Hey, I've download somemore pics but the thing is I can't get it
into my webpage. Can you advice ? Have you dynoed your car ?
Any figures ?

hosrom_951

David: Much appriciate the link, but as you said, no 60-1 HIFI

JChen: I COMPLETELY understand your point(s) there, but after 13 pages and numerous searches on and off rennlist, we (at least i) couldn't find/post the 60-1HIFI comprssor maps to start comparing, what if it is more/less the same? what if the 60-1 HIFI is $hit comapred to this one and vice-versa?

THAT is my point now i have the feeling i was disagreeing with you in the thread? i wasnt

Edman951

Hos, Its cool about not seing the map. I figured you didn't see it.

The BB would help on spool up and resist higher bering loads compared to regular turbo's.
It will not effect the turbo's performance up top.

I think the 60-1 hi-fi is a good turbo. But if you don't plan on passing 400rwhp. You don't need to go that big. Myswiss dynoed 415 rwhp with a full T4 60-1 hi-fi.

If you only plan to go to about 350 rwhp why get a turbo that can make 100 extra hp. You are only making the wheels bigger and reducing the turbo capacity to spool fast and make good low end power.

NZ951

I think TonyG commented that the 60-1 HIFI with the stage 3 wheel and #8 would be good for 450rwhp on the 2.5.