dr bob

So engine management technology, combustion modeling, R&D dollars for intake and exhaust, head and piston development have improved exponentially in the thirty-plus years since the 1980's when our cars last saw an engine design revision. Like computers, the technology doubles every four years or so. Trying to relate current engine technology to ours is pretty ludicrous. I'm amused by the "relational arbitration" method used to project performance changes based on one or two design factors. Just change this one thing, because it was changed on the [pick your performance engine] and they got another 100 HP as part of a package of improvements.

GregBBRD

Wait, a holiday that Europe and we have in common?

Can't be!

GregBBRD

The pistons move up and down in the cylinders....that's the same.

The crankshaft rotates...that's the same.

Those other details are exactly the same.....except for....well....everythng.

GregBBRD

I'm glad someone posted this....and pulled me back from the brink.

Kibort's irrational way of rationalizing unequal things into equal was beginning to make me question myself.

James Bailey

I tend to think Kibort is our own Man from La Mancha......someone please post the signature song.... Impossible dream....He single handedly is defending the honor of the 928 on track. Proving that it can compete with the back markers. Former foes have long since improved lap times but all of them are obviously "cheating" ... The goal is to "prove that a 928 can survive on a race track" ?? . Enters races with absolutely no expectation or hope of actually WINNING..... all to have fun and try to beat the slow cars... O K all good fun but clearly bush league amateur racing at best...very small pond. Yet the basis for all kinds of "expert opinion and theory" . But OH well I have never actually raced wheel to wheel....never totaled out two " race cars " either.
So the latest iteration of the Kibort manifold is use the stock throttle body and dual toilet bowl intake with a STOCK throttle body and mass air sensor....despite the "fact" that Kibort believes you MUST remove the screens from the stock mass air sensor or it is too restrictive.....anyone else see the disconnect in logic ??????
And the home depot part of Anderson's magic intake was a huge diameter mass airflow...and dual throttle bodies which of course has nothing to do with it So please play the "Impossible dream"

Wisconsin Joe

I'd kinda like to see Daniel come up with a picture.

I think he could do an awesome job.

The "Salisbury" plenum along with galvanized ductwork for the Spider "legs".

Maybe somebody would actually buy one.

Dave928S

Your wish is my command Sir .... seems very appropriate

James Bailey

The Salsbury 4850 D does bear a striking resemblance to Carl's twin plenum obviously on a different scale but the single plenum clearly has merit.....plus the flat lower floor could easily be made to fit the stock S-4 dual toilet bowl lower throttle body.. Thank You for bringing it up again hopefully we can reach a consensus on the optimal design.

SeanR

Has anyone asked Kibort why he's not progressed with his racing career and moved on to a more competitive platform to race with?

GregBBRD

I about split myself open laughing when he was giving me cr@p (post #207, second sentence) about trying to make 500hp out of a 928 engine, when a stock Ford motor does that....

.....when he's the one racing a 928 with 340hp and begging someone to make a manifold so that his engine can make more power and he can be competitive.

Just too funny!

James Bailey

Kibort has not been able to find another car owner willing to let him campaign their car......pretty simple actually. But that is much of what makes amateur racing....amateur ! No one else is willing to hire you....even for free !! But he is still out there burning fuel, wearing out tires, and dicing with the cars he can .... That makes him a winner in many ways !! He is out on the track !! Probably not fair to be posting as he is getting ready for another weekend and has more on his mind than posting here. Damn, I just can not get that tune out of my head.....some songs are like that.

mark kibort

Do you have any idea what you are even asking???

there are a lot of great drivers out there... the stars have to line up quite a bit, and make many more sacrafices than i can make right now with family to pursue a racing "career" with the financial benefits being ...well, shall we say, suspect.
Go find someone that is successful in racing and making a living at it, and you will see what i mean, after you talk to them. some of the best drivers out there , usually bow out and support their team or company's racing effort, even after wining the biggest shows on the plannet (i.e. Lemans, etc)

The point is, you dont even get it. this is about putting more power on the 928 with something i think is doable. thats the argument. no need to be a jerk off about it.

I just took the biggest step today and actually bought some really nice used tires. (FIRST TIME IVE SPENT A DIME ON TIRES SINCE 2001) result, new personal record at Laguna at a 1:35.7. anyone that knows the track, knows that this is a good time. AND, its pretty funny seeing all the teams out there with their 991 cup cars running only 1 second faster or a second or so slower. im doing this with a car that has not had a bushing touched in over 20 years! If that doesnt give you a sence of pride for the 928, then I cant help you understand why i do what i do.

what part of , this is just a fun sport, and i am more competitive with myself than the other cars out there. all i want to do is beat that prevous record. It pushes me hard to constantly find ways to make the car go faster. the battles, the times, the comradely.... if you dont race, you dont understand.

but to address your point.. ive been very close to finding a ride to race in GTS world challenge. almost happened last year with TRG and their Aston Martin. it might happen this year. and trust me, if i get it, i will not disappoint!

mK

mark kibort

who allows you to drive their car and get paid? . thats very rare. However i do get quite a few clients that do pay me to coach them at the track. that paid for much of my racing last year.
usually, you pay and pay dearly to drive a car in a pro race. most of the time,its about $40k for the weeknend.
so yes, im burning up free tires (no cost) , paying my entry fees for each weekend, and there is 6 per year, and dicing with all the cars on the track , pros and amatures. i end up at the front most of the time, and have a GREAT time doing it. if you havent raced... you dont know what im talking about.

the car is dialed in. .... just ran the 1:35.xx ive been trying for since i ran with anderson back in 2010...... and backed it up with 4x 1:36xx
that was most of my issue.. bad used tires. finally got a good set of used tires from a known pro team.
the point i try and make here, is running the 928 is a blast. people come over and talk about it. the know the car... its got a great reputation. today, dicing with 3 991 cup cars, you know these guys are shaking their heads. 250,000dollars vs 20,000 and im only a second back? that's what makes it fun.. doing more or the same with a LOT less. the entire weekend is costing me entrance fees and 15 gallons of gas. you cant buy this amount of smile for less! the best part is that im doing it in a 928 and its an amazing car to race and drive on the track. today was NO exception? the car is amazing.... when was the last time ive every reported that i had a problem that kept me from finishing a weekend? very very rare.... very unique car!

James Bailey

Please cue up Billy Idol... "Dancing with myself" .....

mark kibort

first of all, i am competitive.. try watching a video or two. i always come home with the hardware which i give to kids and or put the picture in a photo album.
i just want to get rid of something both of us know is restrictive and can be good for 30hp for a stock 928 and 50-60 hp for one that breathes a little more.
its not outragous, and others have done more than this with less.

Jim.. lets level set your rant...

1. ask yourself one question .... was marks car legal in world challenge GT?
enough said there.
2. all of my races, im almost Always on the podium every time, since 2002
3. some of my foes have built up their cars to "anderson "levels and it would be nice to have more power, but i dont ever need all that they have... .thats my challenge ... to beat those wtih more. and i do this often ... very often
4. do you have any idea what it takes to run a 1:36 at laguna and do it at 3000lbs and 375hp?
5 what i race is the biggest racing pond in the world Jim, so do some home work. its amature racing, yes, but its a huge group with tons of guys trying to be competitive with what they have.. there are several guys that race in my group, if they havent gone pro already, they are as good or better than most pros. these are the guys i compete with well.
6. Joe fans engine had alll the home depot stuff. alll intake tubing, including the maf, was home depot. sure, throttle body was not stock, but jim really? its just a HOLE! no magic here. we need the intake to remove restriction and give the power the engine CAN make

no this is not true. the peak hp gains were not due to the variable cam timing or any perfect mixtures. that can be done, as it has been done before, by an intake and cam. (along with headers.) the 11, 12 or 13mm lift cams are available for our cars today, and the intake just makes it better.
our heads on a stock 928 can support big hp.. we have seen the flow figures here. its not unreasonable to see or expect the power ive offered from a modified intake. gregs might be more perfect, but a crude one can still make big power .

I have no issues to what you say above.
but also dont question why i do what i do on the track either. they have similar motivation, (aside from any money to be made as a goal)