heinrich

Btw Loaded ... I know I've seen that pic before of your ex?

mspiegle

Yes, but that means that the rider was beaten - not the bike.

Its interesting this came up because I know a guy with an 600rwhp supra who likes to race bikes. He went up against an '05 R6 and they were dead even. He then went up against a new GSXR750 and wiped the floor with it. Obviously, a GSXR750 should be able to pull away from an R6. What was the difference? Well, the R6 guy was in full gear. The GSXR guy was wearing a t-shirt. I think it's explains itself.

anonymousagain

Bingo on the rider - in part.

True, many guys think they ride fast and think of 150+ as no big deal, especially on today's bikes that can get them there in a hurry. Then they get there and can't find the intestinal fortitude to keep it pinned. Wiggle at speed scares the b'jonkers out of most riders and competing at speed is a mental pressure cooker if you aren't accustomed to it.

The guy in this story didn't hesitate with a stand-up wheelie while still at a good pace (150-ish down to what, about 80??); doubtful he was completely inexperienced, and you guys know there's a difference between lofting the front end at 35 and lofting it at 60+.

The bike was stock. Fast as crap off the showroom floor, but we're not talking boost or 2-300hp. Nevertheless, as a stocker it still rules 99% of the 4-wheeled population.

Story seems plausible and witnessed... a capable rider with a very fast stock bike was beat by a capable driver with a very fast boosted 928. Good Kill.

Loaded

Ya you and other Playboy subscribers

mspiegle

I'd have to disagree. Wheelies are "child's" play in my opinion. Good riders don't go around doing wheelies, there's no point to it. My bike will lift a few feet under its own power at 60mph. Do I care? Not really.

The thing that raises a flag in my head is that the rider dropped back significantly with each shift. That tells me he wasn't being very efficient with his shifting and/or may not have been comfortable with the bike.

Its really hard to tell without seeing a picture/video of the rider/bike. The bike has twice the power-to-weight ratio advantage over the car. Tim recently posted a g-tech run of 11.5. The R1 should be capable of 10s. Also note that the title of the thread is "'03-'04 R1" and the thread was made in '03. That means the guy couldn't of had the bike for too long. I have no doubt that the Murf928 that raced the R1 is insanely fast. I'd even be willing to bet that its faster than almost any other forced-induction 928 out there. I just don't think that it was the bike which was beaten.

BC

The world has truly lost it.

Paul took a 17 year old car, with HORRIBLE accellerative gearing stock below 100, put a blow drier on it, and then was well and truly NOT outraced by a bike with a better hp/lb ratio then most objects on the road, 2 or 4 wheels.

He did this with metal around him, four tires, and a radio. And leather seats.

This goes back to the whole "I am better then you because I race a 911 (enter ***-axled engine placement car here) around a track, whereas you race an M3 (enter properly engineered car here), and I am almost as fast" I am better because it is MORE DIFFICULT to do. So the Fvck what? It doesn't matter that Bill Gates made 40 billion easily or not. He DID. "well, he was complicit in the stealing of some of that from Spark(park - whatever) xerox, and some from Apple. Uhuh. He goal was a computer on every desk. Did he succeed? Damn well close from my view.

A 3600lb 928 was successfull here because for THESE races, the 928 was done properly. You have redline shifts dropping the engine to the best rev range (4700-6500) for that SC, and it was a good run.

I see a very strong presence here of sour grapes. Really sour MOTO_RIDER grapes. Because they know (you know who you are) that the only redeaming feature of these bikes is that fact that they are insanely fast. They are uncomfortable, unsafe, unseen *therefore unsafe*, and basically unusable when there is water or snow about. Untenable in daily life. They are one way rockets, and are not as fast in corners as cars (different thread, shut it). So that ONE REDEEMING TRAIT was eclipsed by a low-cost boosted car that you can fit golf clubs in and listen to Yanni while on the way to the weekend cabin with a significant other.

Tim Murphy

Mike,
You are missing one key factor; the race started at 55 MPH. Starting from a dead stop would be a different story. I pulled on a GSXR1100 with my car before I was even over the 500rwhp mark. I spoke with the rider after and the first words out of his mouth...... "that f****ing car ROCKS!!" He went on to say that he never ever thought any car could pull on his bike and said he was totally impressed. I've run lots of sport bikes and have yet to have one pull away on me when starting at ~50 mph.

bcdavis

As a rider myself, I have to agree that there is a big difference when racing from a stop, versus racing from freeway speeds. From a stop, a bike has an extreme advantage in it's light weight. That's why they have 0-60 times as low as two seconds. 0-100 times of 3 seconds. And quarter mile times of 9.90. Off the showroom floor. (Hayabusa) Off the line, a bike will kick your butt. But once you are already at freeway speed, a bike has crappy aerodynamics compared to a car. And there is no longer as much of a weight advantage, because the vehicles are already up and rolling. So yes, with a bad rider, bad rider position, lack of *****, etc, a bike can indeed lose to a car on the freeway. But it's a different story off the line.

Unless your car can do 0-60 in two seconds...

Gretch

Yeah, and anyone who plays Yanni in a shark should be horse whipped!!!!

heinrich

LOL

hacker-pschorr

To anyone that listens to Yanni, that may sound like an offer

Jim R.

As someone who has put many miles (over 30,000) on a modded Kawi ZX-11, quite a few on 600 class sportbikes and also logged just a bit of seat time in a Murph Supershark, I believe if you apply logic here it is pretty easy. Mid to high 11's for a well boosted Supershark 5 spd. Low 10's for said Yamaha. Mid to high 3's 0-60 Supershark, low 2's Bike. Bike times with a professional class rider on a track, doubtfull on the street for all but a VERY few. After 60+ the 928 will pull the bike, especially if the rider is not totally tucked in and willing to hit redline powershifts every gear.

I have gone to 175+ on a bike, ridden hard, and I don't believe I would have wanted to be 100% all out at those speeds racing an unknown driver in an unknown car. Would I race a '03-'04 stock Yahama liter class bike from a launch (with a GOOD rider)-not for $$$. From 60+ yes, how much do you have?

Jim

Gretch

Larry928GTS

I think that helps put it in perspective pretty well. In the above example, the bike does 0-60 in the low 2's, and then takes 8 seconds to do the rest of the 1/4 mile. The supercharged 928 does 0-60 in the high 3's, and then also takes 8 seconds to finish the 1/4 mile. Start them both at 60mph, and go up to the speeds mentioned, and it seems pretty logical that the car pulls away the faster and further they go, up until the top speed of one or the other becomes a factor.

mspiegle

y'know what... I went back and looked at your gtech run and realized that you're trapping over 132 for that run. Given your 60-foot times and comparing them to typical 60-foot times of the R1, I can see where you have an advantage once the wheels are rolling. That's pretty damn impressive!