GregBBRD

Pick one:

A. I'm premenstrual and was overcome with emotion.

B. I was sleep walking.

C. I'm on a new medication.

D. I just got out of the dyno room, where the exhaust fumes got to me.

E.. All of the above.

andy-gts

it is rare for greg to offer up something as momentous as the compliment he has done to kibort……THAT REALLY MEANS ALOT !!!!

GregBBRD

There is a slight problem.

I went online to try and order some Amsoil to test.

Found out that I have to work on Tuesdays at the airport, wearing a white robe while handing out some sort of a brochure.

And I have to work Friday evenings selling Mary Kay Cosmetics.

Dave928S

There's a big problem ... the white robe and make up will clash terribly with the board shorts!

Drewster67

I have owned my 928 S2 Auto track car for 9 years - probably well over 100 hours combined - got the car/engine with 108k on the ODO.

Engine has never been out - never been cracked open except for the front end to do all seals, TB , H2O pump etc ...

Still runs like a raped ape ... I run Valvoline Racing Oil and straight water with Purple Ice -

here she is warming up this wednesday - https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v...type=2&theater

and rest assured - she is just as fast as my friends 5.0 L Euro Hybrid - 5 spd. (another conversation all together)

YMMV

mark kibort

Ha ha ha. thanks Greg...... and you know the feeling is mutual in what you do too, but the boxing matches are fun.

I do think there could be something to the oil and its qualities. im no oil engineer, but i do have some actual, factual experience to go on. The fact that its working, through the lap times I run, tells me that something is working. Lots of theories out there, and i dont think im doing anything that special driving wise. again, anyone can turn a good lap time .... eventually.
I dont think its the heads, as i had them surfaced and we looked at them pretty carefully for any differences off a stock head, and i didnt notice anything, but again, im not an expert there either. (2 valve heads maybe yes, 4 valve ... no)

I still contend, a lot of blown up engines are due to the engines being bad to begin with (pre-existing damage or weakness), or being neglected, or have been subjected to forces that could damage the bearings. (bad downshifts, rev limiter bangs, poor warm up procedures, or poor tune giving knocking)

getting back to driving...... Again, im really not talking about my level of driving, im only using lap times to prove that the g forces produced are equal or greater than anyone has seen in a 928. sure, i do use tires that are used, but its not that they are that bad. usually, they are from a record setting session or race from a fellow driver that just wants new rubber. the next 2-3 sessions for me, might only be .5 seconds off my fastest pace. the slicks i used came off the world challenge GT cars that change their tires after every race weekend and are only used for qual and race. these are real slicks and they gave me a .5 to 1 second edge over the sticky DOTs i was using. I will tell you , my car is pretty easy to drive, but in noway is tuned to the best it can be. With a 15 year old street/sport suspension, no mods to chassis and a near street alignment at 2 degree camber, there are a lot of things i need to drive around.

do you have me suspicious about willow springs? yes, a little, but certainly, the track, g forces, and durations of those gs are really not much different than any other track. and with brian rnning thunderhill backward, if hard right hand turns were an issue, his car wouldnt have survived that session or day at t-hill. Hmmm, maybe that is what killed casper!

mark kibort

funny ^^^^^^^

actually, just dial the phone number and order it up. probably the easiest ordering process available.

Yes, it does. I know in the end, aside from all the joshing, there are some smart folks here that can listen to logic and not the hype!

curious....... i also had an S2 that i ran for about 5 years on the track in DE. then it morphed in to the euro hybrid and then euro hybrid 5 liter. it was amazing, but it had the 84 and later crank with larger oil holes.
But , my point here is that we used the valvoline racing oil with scots car and had some oil pressure issues at temp. (he used my oil temp set up a few times). he then went to amsoil and never had those issues agian. dont know if it was the same oil , but it was valvoline and it did say "racing" on the bottle.

Drewster67

I have never had oil pressure problems with my 85 - I feel I lucked out with my girl ...I run her hard and she never has failed me.

The Fixer

You're a great sport Mr. Kilbort.

These new pans by Moroso address the same LS motor oiling issues while road racing and drag racing.
w/ 4-trap door assembly and anti-slosh baffle to keep oil contained around the pick-up.
one with deeper front for clearance for use of main-cap-mounted windage tray.

Greg, a similar design (the shelf which is around the pickup tube but an insert into the OB pan) would keep our oil from
sloshing away from the pickup under hard long corners.

A whole new laser cut steel pan would be ideal (you could add more depth) if the interest was there..

justaguy

What are you running for tires? We run slicks the 1.5 continuous G load is where the problem comes from with peaks of 1.8

A 928 engine will last a long time on track on street tires. Brian's estate lemons racer is the best example I know of.

Sticky tires high RPM = 928 sudden death.

mark kibort

Brian, again, you forget with the one 'good" engine, you left out something that should have been death for it, from the beginning of your racing it......... the early crank!! TOO SMALL OF OILING HOLES!
had it not been for that, im sure it would still be running today. but,its a good thing. Im sure that the new engine, built by someone that knows how to put things together, will run for a very long time.

there is something else i thought about that no one else has mentioned. if you race a street car, with stock suspension, what happens????????? anyone anyone???
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you get a lot of body roll.... how much???? LOTS!!!!! you can almost get it to get on two wheels!!!!
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anyone know what this is equal too as far as the oil level looks like?
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you got it. it looks like lateral gs, but even more than the turn is providing. so, you get 25 degree body roll ( just for an example) , and you pull 1g and suddenly the oil looks like its seeing 1.5gs or greater!!!

so, these cars that are softly sprung, can have a much greater effect in the oil moving around than one that is stiffly sprung.

so, that would make me a little worried Brian, as your car with the really soft springs in the rear, and no sway bar , can induce a lot of body roll,, especially on slicks that could exacerbate the problem, if there is a problem.

However, in Rob E's car, that would not be the issue, as andersons car was light and sprung tight. that junk yard engine was the issue (and possibly the oil he was running in it)

mark kibort

not true Sean...... im running slicks now and have been all last season. (and some brief stints with A6 hoosiers which are better than some slicks) IM ALSO RUNNING 335 sized tires !!!! the car grips and runs around turns and brakes, a little faster than you and brian are running now. No issues. LOTs of High RPM!!
watch the videos.. Im not holding back anywhere!

watch and listen!!!! love the sound of the 928 engine being rung out !!

mark kibort

I dont think there is an issue with our pickup. again, i never see any oiling issue, during a 1.5 g turn for long durations. it drops to maybe 4.5bar for the turn and returns as soon as im straight or braking again.

also makes me think of driving style for a second. i do a lot of trail braking into turns, so that puts all the oil up front for a majority of the turn up too the apex. maybe thats buying me some time. however, still, this doesnt address that sucess at thunderhill for a 1.5+ g turn for a 7 second duration and no issues.

GTgears

Damn. I need to drop in this forum more often. Continue on...

Drewster67

Nitto NT01's