928 RS Concept Sketch
#316
the car needs a power assist rack,
the rest of the steering system isnt designed for operating with out it.
I could see the steering coupler easily shearing off then you will have to be replacing column parts
the rest of the steering system isnt designed for operating with out it.
I could see the steering coupler easily shearing off then you will have to be replacing column parts
#318
the other parts that will suffer from the strain will be the upper shaft bearing these are made of brittle metal and they will crumble, this can then damage the turn signal switch housing and the trim collar around the pod
Beyond that the car will not be as nimble as it should be thus handling will suffer
Beyond that the car will not be as nimble as it should be thus handling will suffer
#319
What compounds the problem is a power steering rack is typically "faster" than the same vehicles manual steering rack.
This makes the effort required on a power steering rack w/o the power higher than a manual steering rack. That being said I converted a power steering rack on a 944 Turbo S I had to manual steering. I removed the power steering lines and filled the required areas with grease. Once changed the effort wasn't all that bad. But I would make a concerted effort to have the car moving before I had to make significant changes to the direction of the car.
This makes the effort required on a power steering rack w/o the power higher than a manual steering rack. That being said I converted a power steering rack on a 944 Turbo S I had to manual steering. I removed the power steering lines and filled the required areas with grease. Once changed the effort wasn't all that bad. But I would make a concerted effort to have the car moving before I had to make significant changes to the direction of the car.
#320
I agree; a "sealed" power rack without a pump assist is much harder to steer than a true manual rack. It's like driving a turbocharged car without the turbo. It will still go, but it will be slower than the naturally aspirated version of the same car (for several reasons).
What I'm suggesting is somehow coming up with a true manual rack, one that was designed to be operated as a manual, for the 928. What Stan is saying is that this is a very bad idea! And I did not stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. So that's that. My original point was that Porsche, had it built an RS 928, would likely have made the rack a manual one, given that it did so on past RS 911s. Plus it's a weight savings, and a mechanical savings for the engine. One less pump for the engine to drive with a belt.
What I'm suggesting is somehow coming up with a true manual rack, one that was designed to be operated as a manual, for the 928. What Stan is saying is that this is a very bad idea! And I did not stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. So that's that. My original point was that Porsche, had it built an RS 928, would likely have made the rack a manual one, given that it did so on past RS 911s. Plus it's a weight savings, and a mechanical savings for the engine. One less pump for the engine to drive with a belt.
#321
Speaking of under the car... I didn't know this until today but apparently the RS America had a manual steering rack. https://rennlist.com/forums/for-sale...low-miles.html
As far as I know, the 928 was never offered with a manual rack. I've driven my 928 without power steering (and huge wheels) and you have to be a bit of a brute to turn the car at slow speed. But that's with a power rack not getting a power assist. Manual racks tend to be set up differently to compensate, at least a little. It's been talked about here before but as far as I know no one has made a manual rack for the 928. Be that guy!
Mike
As far as I know, the 928 was never offered with a manual rack. I've driven my 928 without power steering (and huge wheels) and you have to be a bit of a brute to turn the car at slow speed. But that's with a power rack not getting a power assist. Manual racks tend to be set up differently to compensate, at least a little. It's been talked about here before but as far as I know no one has made a manual rack for the 928. Be that guy!
Mike
I really want to explore that and you have beaten me to it, guess we think alike. Stan you could help figure this out. Lots of old race cars were hard to steer until they got rolling.
Anywho, it's like deja zu all over again. Car and panels not polished, don't really need it. Finally ready to assemble things. Motor home is stuffed with 928 parts, very cheerful in there.
Ready for panel fitment; doors have to be first (marked there hinge attach locations with a scribe), then front fenders and hood. Waiting on proper fender- body adhesive. Hatch can go in anytime. Very excited. Wheels are OK for a 1983 RS Concept i guess.
They will be replaced or the deep 951 Phone Dial dishes will be painted silver. They need something, kind of lost in space.
My little Buddy up on the left, thinks the RS "resembles the Bat Car" right now.
#322
What compounds the problem is a power steering rack is typically "faster" than the same vehicles manual steering rack.
This makes the effort required on a power steering rack w/o the power higher than a manual steering rack. That being said I converted a power steering rack on a 944 Turbo S I had to manual steering. I removed the power steering lines and filled the required areas with grease. Once changed the effort wasn't all that bad. But I would make a concerted effort to have the car moving before I had to make significant changes to the direction of the car.
This makes the effort required on a power steering rack w/o the power higher than a manual steering rack. That being said I converted a power steering rack on a 944 Turbo S I had to manual steering. I removed the power steering lines and filled the required areas with grease. Once changed the effort wasn't all that bad. But I would make a concerted effort to have the car moving before I had to make significant changes to the direction of the car.
#323
#324
I would like the dark factory finish which looks to have been anodized, as seen on Neil's '81. Those have a subtle brushed look I like a lot.
And obviously your wheel design would be my first choice.
Here's 1.5 hours i'll never get back.
#325
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The first part to fail will be the rubber coupler on the steering shaft. I've been running without PS for a few years and had to replace it as the strain was way more than it was designed for and the part was old to start with. Have a look at your coupler, if there are any cracks, it will not hold up for very long.
#326
The first part to fail will be the rubber coupler on the steering shaft. I've been running without PS for a few years and had to replace it as the strain was way more than it was designed for and the part was old to start with. Have a look at your coupler, if there are any cracks, it will not hold up for very long.
IMO00, by chance any idea how much weight reduction the pump removal would be?
Also you didn't say whether this modification is easy to live with.
Last edited by The Fixer; 09-19-2013 at 09:51 PM.
#327
Factory Sticker replacement
Can anyone post a pic of the exact location of the tire pressure decal. I took a pic but cannot find that one.
Also are they available new ? Tire pressure sticker got bent trying to remove and save.
I want to re apply the under hood decal and the rest. Can't do the VIN of course..
Be really cool to apply a Gulf Blue paint code sticker..will have that made.
The factory stickers are available for 356s and 911s.
Any help is appreciated.-Matt
Also are they available new ? Tire pressure sticker got bent trying to remove and save.
I want to re apply the under hood decal and the rest. Can't do the VIN of course..
Be really cool to apply a Gulf Blue paint code sticker..will have that made.
The factory stickers are available for 356s and 911s.
Any help is appreciated.-Matt
Last edited by The Fixer; 09-22-2013 at 02:51 PM.
#329
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My pump is still on the car, it was leaking so I just cut the belt. Haven't got around fixing it yet. Very slow speed turns are a pain and have to think ahead. Once the car is in motion, can't tell the pump isn't working.
#330
Hi Matt,
Car looks beautiful. How much interior are you going to put back in? You could paint the interior sheet metal gulf blue and leave it bare.
Keep up the great work,
Dave
Car looks beautiful. How much interior are you going to put back in? You could paint the interior sheet metal gulf blue and leave it bare.
Keep up the great work,
Dave