G8RB8

How loud is the system on the car pictured? What mufflers / resonators are they? Do you sell a kit?

Never mind, I found it. Kinda spendy though.

MjRocket

So is there no way to get these to hook up to a standard X-pipe? I ask because I showed an ebay pic of the headers to my mechanic and he said he could make them work no problem. I'd love to believe he is correct, however I trust the word of the Collective here above and beyond anyone else. Anyone who cares to chime in Please do.

Thx

MJ

G8RB8

I plan to try the Fausett one for the MSDS headers these were cloned from. It should work even if it needs to be modified.

MjRocket

I have one from Roger, is it any different from the Fausett one?

axis of evil

interesting post on pelican re these.
Get them while they are hot!
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/7438986-post16.html

John Veninger

The exhaust manifolds on the 32V motors are very good for a stock 928. There is really no "increase" by changing them to headers unless you have other modifications in mind. Headers are typically a PITA when it comes to installing and fitment.
The 16V motor manifolds are boat anchors and there is gain by replacing those even on most stock motor. The 85/86 manifolds fit theses motors and open up the breathing of the motor without the hassle of headers.
BUT, as Tony stated.... there headers

FredR

I'd still like to see someone plonk these on an otherwise stock set up dynoed before/after to see if it makes any difference.

Regards

Fred

hacker-pschorr

Yea... about that.
Talk to any shop that deals with cars that come in with OBX parts installed you will get a completely different story.

One example: "Not usually very good" was the response from a friend of mine who deals mostly with Asian imports.

People have a tendency to give positive reports on sub-par products as long as it was cheap. I see it all the time, not just in car parts. "Well yea it failed after two years, but it was half price of OEM".

Add to that the post from MSDS on Pelican, I wouldn't want these on my 928.

Would you guys be lining up to buy a carbon copy, rip-off version of Greg Brown's headers too? Why don't one of you pony up the cash for a set of his and ship them to OBX to get the ball rolling?

Why stop there?
Ship them Porken's tensioner too, get those costs down.
How about the new Phone Dial Wheel's Jim is working on? Get one of them over the river, make them "affordable".

U-928

I have from experience, I have contradicting opinions. I've had OBX parts on my own cars, friends' and customer cars with really good results.

Example, OBX 1.8T downpipe, on a heavily modified VW. Lasted 8 years until the car was sold. No problem with fitment and it didn't "fail after two years".

Some (most?) of us here that own these cars don't have the money to buy a set of GB's headers. Nor would most of us make use of their potential. AFIAK, MSDS doesn't offer ANY Stainless option for their headers....

Ken's PKT is affordable. No need to make a "rip-off version" of it.

In your world apparently parts don't fail if they're made in the USA and people are rolling around in piles of money to buy awesome parts from GB. No offense, I'd love to live in that world, but let's be realistic. This happens. Sounds like MSDS is on the case.

hacker-pschorr

That's the fun with mass produced crap. Produce enough of something and you do end up with a certain percentage of good to OK parts.

I don't like to play those odds with my 928.

You totally bypassed my point.
A Chinese knockoff of Greg's headers would be the same price (or close) as these.
Based on your comments, if someone took the initiative to have such a set put to market, you would have no problem ripping off Greg too.

Says you, the college student in another thread having issues with his car probably cannot afford one.
A half price Chinese offering would do him a world of good.

Nice redirection........ No kidding most cannot afford GB's headers, that's the point...

What about Jim's wheels? We know a Chinese knockoff would be about $100 - $150 a wheel and be "good enough" for most 928 owners.

Don't worry, I understand. The MSDS headers are beyond your price threshold so it's easy for you to justify ripping off a long time supporter of our cars.

I get it, I really do. You can convince yourself it's OK, just don't expect everyone else to agree.

MjRocket

Hacker...Do you Really have over a million posts? My God!

hacker-pschorr

LOL - no.... joke played on my account many years ago.

BC

Looks like the headers from Ebay are a relatively nice SS version of the MSDS headers. The issue is they copied what was always a horrible collector shape and transition. What I am doing as a cheap-step on my rat-motor car is to cut all of that off and weld on these:
http://www.coneeng.com/weld_on_collector_kit.html

Carl Fausett

I have received word from Marty at MSDS that he is going to replace all of the current 928 collectors with merged collectors on his headers.

Then the China copy artists will have a whole bunch of the SS headers with the old-style collector in stock, or you can buy American and get the improved merged collector.

How this effects our Header-X, I don't know. If it terminates in a different location/length, they will have to be re-designed as well.

I know he is working on it now... so if you hold on for a moment, you may be better off.

BC

Those Collectors have been that way for 14 years. Why would Marty change now? Because someone has copies of his stuff made in china with thicker flanges and better welding? lol.

Cheap and easy is very hard to overcome.