Your Next Car After the 928?
#782
Tony - my car was actually a '64, without the distinctive grill. It only occurred to me last night that while I was driving it around in high school, reinforcing my reputation as a dork, Nancy was driving around in her new '69 Camaro.
#783
Last edited by 77tony; 09-02-2019 at 01:57 PM.
#785
Originally Posted by 928 GT R
Only 30 were built with a manual and for another $150k I could obtain one (If it were for sale).
I'm pushing rationality by making these investments in dark ages ICE cars as it is...
Owming these beasts might become the equivalent of holding a handful of face cards at the end of a gin rummy game.
Then again...
I'm pushing rationality by making these investments in dark ages ICE cars as it is...
Owming these beasts might become the equivalent of holding a handful of face cards at the end of a gin rummy game.
Then again...
The 3 pedal 599's are almost $500k asking nowadays... That's almost GTO territory as they're 550-600 and up...!
I agree with the face card gin/rummie game as I'm also certifiable
#787
Originally Posted by 928 GT R
Richard,
Wow, The three pedal 599's are $500k already... ? That was quick, it seems like just a year ago I first contracted the Prancing Horse disease and they were available for $275 - $350k.
Excellent condition, low miles 599 F1's have pretty much stayed at $150 - $180k depending on options and history. Cars with stories are $110 - 140k. HTGE handling package optioned 599's are asking $200k - $240k
I am thinking that the F1 599 Fiorano GTB's are going to pop pretty soon and unless the economy takes a real crap, this is the time to step up. There's just something about the V 12 that makes my heart beat a bit faster...
And... The tailoring is impeccable...
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Wow, The three pedal 599's are $500k already... ? That was quick, it seems like just a year ago I first contracted the Prancing Horse disease and they were available for $275 - $350k.
Excellent condition, low miles 599 F1's have pretty much stayed at $150 - $180k depending on options and history. Cars with stories are $110 - 140k. HTGE handling package optioned 599's are asking $200k - $240k
I am thinking that the F1 599 Fiorano GTB's are going to pop pretty soon and unless the economy takes a real crap, this is the time to step up. There's just something about the V 12 that makes my heart beat a bit faster...
And... The tailoring is impeccable...
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I also think the one to have other than a GTO is the HGTE post 2009 with the option from the factory instead of the dealer installed one.
It's a disease gotta sell one of the companies and grab a GTO and a bigger stable
#789
... Anyone figure out why they would give an EV the Turbo S moniker? Just to say its the top of the line? I would think there were an electrical term to denote the largest ZAP available.
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Hitting the scales at 5,000 lbs screams "drive one first" before buying! Thats a lot of weight to be tossing around... Oh wait - My Cayenne Turbo S is close to that and it is a scorcher!!!
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Hitting the scales at 5,000 lbs screams "drive one first" before buying! Thats a lot of weight to be tossing around... Oh wait - My Cayenne Turbo S is close to that and it is a scorcher!!!
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Tradition and marketing trumped respect for language. Originally, "turbo" meant a piece of special hardware; for EVs, extra oomph can come by merely changing some constants in the headers of software code. Porsche jumped the shark when it put Turbo badges on high-end models of cars that are all turbocharged. They've merely gone from silly to super silly for the Taycan.
It has a nice ring to it, of course, so I put a Turbo badge on my Model 3. I feel a little silly since it's not a Performance model, but not otherwise. (The Performance model does not have any special hardware - just different headers, software headers.)
Though the Model 3 weighs 4200 lbs, it feels like a light car. I don't know how they do that. The standard 18" tires are wearing quickly, though, more in the rear despite having dual motors and 50:50 weight balance. The Taycan is 5000 lbs?
Rudely parked at my Porsche dealer for a cars and coffee. But manager liked it there - might help sell Taycans.
#790
Anyone figure out why they would give an EV the Turbo S moniker? Just to say its the top of the line?
Hitting the scales at 5,000 lbs screams "drive one first" before buying! Thats a lot of weight to be tossing around...
#792
I joke that the turbo moniker is a reference back to the "turbo" buttons on PC's back in the 90's that actually make them slower.
But yeah, it's just a trim level now.
I also question its price point. The Turbo S trim starts at $186K IIRC and the competing Tesla Model S P100D starts at nearly half that.
They should have aimed at the $65-75K price point to get more sales and make a bigger splash in the market. But maybe newer variants will follow at lower prices like with what Tesla did.
But yeah, it's just a trim level now.
I also question its price point. The Turbo S trim starts at $186K IIRC and the competing Tesla Model S P100D starts at nearly half that.
They should have aimed at the $65-75K price point to get more sales and make a bigger splash in the market. But maybe newer variants will follow at lower prices like with what Tesla did.
#794
I remember when the Cayenne came out and was slammed by Porsche faithful, yet now I have two of them and love driving them! Heck, 928's were hammered on by 911 faithful and water-cooled 911's as well. Today I drove my 911 Turbo hard and as you know they are spectacular!
One thing I am Jonesing for, is a modern - cutting edge replacement/evolution of the 928! I want a real GT coupe. Two doors and a proper hatch for practical space utilization.
I did follow up with a selected reading on the Taycan forum and indeed, there is great disappointment.
The price doesn't surprise me at all.
I also had a longish conversation with drooman about it today and he is totally hating on it based on the idea regarding the quickly outdated software and lack of maintainability of the car.
I for one am *concerned* about the long-term maintainability of my 9[98]1 fleet for the same reasons. Way, way too much stuff has to be VIN-coded with the PIWIS laptop in order to function if replaced. The only practical way this generation of Porsches will be on the road 10+ years from now is if Porsche's 'lock' on the interface is wrestled from their closed grip. For the moment, I'm relying on the general enthusiast market pull to make that happen.
Now, VS. Tesla, Porsche (and all other car companies) need to get 'software' figured out. Fixing bugs via over-the-air updates has to be SOP for all of them or they will get crushed.
As a completely out-of-left-field aside: I would like to see 80%+ of the code in modern cars open-sourced for many reasons. At the top of that list of reasons is: bugs would get found and stomped out at a much, much higher rate.
So the jury is out for me on this one...
They should have aimed at the $65-75K price point to get more sales and make a bigger splash in the market. But maybe newer variants will follow at lower prices like with what Tesla did.
Production is limited. If you can only make X number of cars you price the car at a level that limits the market to X buyers.
Or, in other words, you sell the highest trim models first to those who are able, willing and eager to buy at whatever price.
Lower-spec Taycans will come along as production increases and bugs are worked-out. (And there will be bugs.)
The real question is what will a Taycan 4S (hypothetical, but expected trim) look like when compared to a Tesla (or other EV) that's priced much lower? Does the Taycan platform exhibit the "Porscheness" that has always drawn folks to pay-up?
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Here's my next one - 2009 Bentley Continental GT Speed with 15,000 miles on her. Sapphire metallic over saddle leather interior with upgraded 20" wheels.
Bought this week. What you think?
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