Did I Buy the Wrong 928 From a Rennlister ?
12-11-2010 | 03:56 PM
#106
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From: Frankenmuth, Michigan
I guess I have been playing by the rules pretty well then. I've been a "user" for a long time and rarely post. I come here to read, not interact. Becoming a "user" allowed me to view attachments, otherwise, I probably wouldn't have bothered with that. I don't hold a Rennlist "member" in any higher regard as a 928 owner just because they are a "member" and like to talk a lot. I own 3 of these vehicles and have had one since '92. I think I know the 928 pretty well. I come here to read what posters like GB and Stan (MrMerlin) have to contribute. You never know what you might learn. As an example, there's no telling how much time Bill Ball saved me the first time I did the rear main seal. Had I not followed his write-up step-by-step, it easily would've taken me twice as long to do. Also, I will be doing head gaskets on an '84 soon. GB's recent contributions about doing head gaskets on cars that use studs as factory hardware will be invaluable to me when I do the same job soon.
There's a lot of BS to comb through. Every now and then, there is actually something here worth reading.
There's a lot of BS to comb through. Every now and then, there is actually something here worth reading.
Maybe the reason folks become members is to give back in a way they can, and some folks including users contribue technical insight, etc.
So what do you do?
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12-11-2010 | 06:46 PM
#108
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From: Park Ridge, IL (near Chicago)
Well, I guess "user" , as verb perfectly defines your actions (or lack thereof) within a community of people who actually contribute.
Maybe the reason folks become members is to give back in a way they can, and some folks including users contribue technical insight, etc.
So what do you do?
Maybe the reason folks become members is to give back in a way they can, and some folks including users contribue technical insight, etc.
So what do you do?
12-11-2010 | 07:54 PM
#110
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Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 8,575
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From: Orange, Cal
A touch of perspective. An exceptional car, interior by Paul, paint by Kevin, and sold on a no reserve ebay auction which makes the price at worst market price, but much more likely a discounted price due to need for a quick sale.
If the water is too hot at home, sell it, but don't try and convince us its some kind of bad deal, it simply is not.
Link to ebay auction.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...m=160498545444
Link to thread about the ebay auction.
https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...ml#post8010641
Meaningful quote from thread.
"Hey Mr. Merlin,
Please not too much encouragement. I'm bidding and my wife is out of the house but I have to face her when she gets back.
LGL"
Description from ebay listing.
"Gentleman,
To start, we are auctioning off a very well known 928 in the internet enthusiast community, and sadly, of all the Porsche cars I have sold, this happens to be my personal car and personal issues force sale. I have owned 30 of these 928's over the years and this one has always stayed with me. I will explain why. The car has undergone a thorough mechanical overhaul including engine, ,suspension(Bilstein/Eibach), brakes/rotors/pads, exhaust(sounds incredible!), $10,000 paint job, Paul Champagne leather interior( world-renowned craftsman) Clutchmaster's clutch which is very smooth, 928 INT. short shift kit (unbelievable!), New battery, fresh timing belt, water pump, new steering rack, plugs,wires,caps, Dino steering wheel, Ice-cold A/C. new ECU'S. So much more and everything functions properly. The car has all factory keys( all 5!), org. window sticker(70K), spare, complete toolkit, airpump, tirebag and gloves, extra factory belts, all still there! all manuals and records from new, documented totaling over 50k. Bought from org. owner who is a retired admiral. The engine was completely overhauled at 80k miles and the odo shows 134.8k. The engine/trans has 55k. Low miles either way for this car. The car is equipped with the rare and desired "squirter block engine" and also has hard to find Limited Slip Differential, and even rarer "rub-strip-delete factory option. The car is issue-free and amazing. It needs an amazing owner, and it could be you.
NOTE: the water on the ground is from washing the car. Car has no leaks.
Good bidding,
Kevin"
Above quoted from ebay listing.
If the water is too hot at home, sell it, but don't try and convince us its some kind of bad deal, it simply is not.
Link to ebay auction.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...m=160498545444
Link to thread about the ebay auction.
https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...ml#post8010641
Meaningful quote from thread.
"Hey Mr. Merlin,
Please not too much encouragement. I'm bidding and my wife is out of the house but I have to face her when she gets back.
LGL"
Description from ebay listing.
"Gentleman,
To start, we are auctioning off a very well known 928 in the internet enthusiast community, and sadly, of all the Porsche cars I have sold, this happens to be my personal car and personal issues force sale. I have owned 30 of these 928's over the years and this one has always stayed with me. I will explain why. The car has undergone a thorough mechanical overhaul including engine, ,suspension(Bilstein/Eibach), brakes/rotors/pads, exhaust(sounds incredible!), $10,000 paint job, Paul Champagne leather interior( world-renowned craftsman) Clutchmaster's clutch which is very smooth, 928 INT. short shift kit (unbelievable!), New battery, fresh timing belt, water pump, new steering rack, plugs,wires,caps, Dino steering wheel, Ice-cold A/C. new ECU'S. So much more and everything functions properly. The car has all factory keys( all 5!), org. window sticker(70K), spare, complete toolkit, airpump, tirebag and gloves, extra factory belts, all still there! all manuals and records from new, documented totaling over 50k. Bought from org. owner who is a retired admiral. The engine was completely overhauled at 80k miles and the odo shows 134.8k. The engine/trans has 55k. Low miles either way for this car. The car is equipped with the rare and desired "squirter block engine" and also has hard to find Limited Slip Differential, and even rarer "rub-strip-delete factory option. The car is issue-free and amazing. It needs an amazing owner, and it could be you.
NOTE: the water on the ground is from washing the car. Car has no leaks.
Good bidding,
Kevin"
Above quoted from ebay listing.
12-11-2010 | 07:55 PM
#111
Burning Brakes
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 900
Likes: 14
From: San Francisco
Here was the description on the eBay auction. I am sure a few of the details on the paragraph were the ONLY reasons that drove the final sale price of a 1987 928S4 with 134k miles to a very high $19k.
Gentleman,
To start, we are auctioning off a very well known 928 in the internet enthusiast community, and sadly, of all the Porsche cars I have sold, this happens to be my personal car and personal issues force sale. I have owned 30 of these 928's over the years and this one has always stayed with me. I will explain why. The car has undergone a thorough mechanical overhaul including engine, ,suspension(Bilstein/Eibach), brakes/rotors/pads, exhaust(sounds incredible!), $10,000 paint job, Paul Champagne leather interior( world-renowned craftsman) Clutchmaster's clutch which is very smooth, 928 INT. short shift kit (unbelievable!), New battery, fresh timing belt, water pump, new steering rack, plugs,wires,caps, Dino steering wheel, Ice-cold A/C. new ECU'S. So much more and everything functions properly. The car has all factory keys( all 5!), org. window sticker(70K), spare, complete toolkit, airpump, tirebag and gloves, extra factory belts, all still there! all manuals and records from new, documented totaling over 50k. Bought from org. owner who is a retired admiral. The engine was completely overhauled at 80k miles and the odo shows 134.8k. The engine/trans has 55k. Low miles either way for this car. The car is equipped with the rare and desired "squirter block engine" and also has hard to find Limited Slip Differential, and even rarer "rub-strip-delete factory option. The car is issue-free and amazing. It needs an amazing owner, and it could be you.
NOTE: the water on the ground is from washing the car. Car has no leaks.
Good bidding,
Kevin
When a car such as this was described as "issue free", "everything works PROPERLY ", and a few great attributing qualities, I too would expect an "issue free" car. As far as the broken odometer, I don't think too many people would even notice when they are inspecting the car.
In summary, there are 2 poles here.
One group thinks the buyer should have been less trusting and be more careful inspecting and scrutinizing the car before handing over the cash.
One group thinks the seller should have been more honest in disclosing these hidden issues instead of misrepresenting them as "everything works" and "issue free."
Steve
Gentleman,
To start, we are auctioning off a very well known 928 in the internet enthusiast community, and sadly, of all the Porsche cars I have sold, this happens to be my personal car and personal issues force sale. I have owned 30 of these 928's over the years and this one has always stayed with me. I will explain why. The car has undergone a thorough mechanical overhaul including engine, ,suspension(Bilstein/Eibach), brakes/rotors/pads, exhaust(sounds incredible!), $10,000 paint job, Paul Champagne leather interior( world-renowned craftsman) Clutchmaster's clutch which is very smooth, 928 INT. short shift kit (unbelievable!), New battery, fresh timing belt, water pump, new steering rack, plugs,wires,caps, Dino steering wheel, Ice-cold A/C. new ECU'S. So much more and everything functions properly. The car has all factory keys( all 5!), org. window sticker(70K), spare, complete toolkit, airpump, tirebag and gloves, extra factory belts, all still there! all manuals and records from new, documented totaling over 50k. Bought from org. owner who is a retired admiral. The engine was completely overhauled at 80k miles and the odo shows 134.8k. The engine/trans has 55k. Low miles either way for this car. The car is equipped with the rare and desired "squirter block engine" and also has hard to find Limited Slip Differential, and even rarer "rub-strip-delete factory option. The car is issue-free and amazing. It needs an amazing owner, and it could be you.
NOTE: the water on the ground is from washing the car. Car has no leaks.
Good bidding,
Kevin
When a car such as this was described as "issue free", "everything works PROPERLY ", and a few great attributing qualities, I too would expect an "issue free" car. As far as the broken odometer, I don't think too many people would even notice when they are inspecting the car.
In summary, there are 2 poles here.
One group thinks the buyer should have been less trusting and be more careful inspecting and scrutinizing the car before handing over the cash.
One group thinks the seller should have been more honest in disclosing these hidden issues instead of misrepresenting them as "everything works" and "issue free."
Steve
12-11-2010 | 08:19 PM
#112
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From: Bird lover in Sharpsburg
Here was the description on the eBay auction. I am sure a few of the details on the paragraph were the ONLY reasons that drove the final sale price of a 1987 928S4 with 134k miles to a very high $19k.
Gentleman,
To start, we are auctioning off a very well known 928 in the internet enthusiast community, and sadly, of all the Porsche cars I have sold, this happens to be my personal car and personal issues force sale. I have owned 30 of these 928's over the years and this one has always stayed with me. I will explain why. The car has undergone a thorough mechanical overhaul including engine, ,suspension(Bilstein/Eibach), brakes/rotors/pads, exhaust(sounds incredible!), $10,000 paint job, Paul Champagne leather interior( world-renowned craftsman) Clutchmaster's clutch which is very smooth, 928 INT. short shift kit (unbelievable!), New battery, fresh timing belt, water pump, new steering rack, plugs,wires,caps, Dino steering wheel, Ice-cold A/C. new ECU'S. So much more and everything functions properly. The car has all factory keys( all 5!), org. window sticker(70K), spare, complete toolkit, airpump, tirebag and gloves, extra factory belts, all still there! all manuals and records from new, documented totaling over 50k. Bought from org. owner who is a retired admiral. The engine was completely overhauled at 80k miles and the odo shows 134.8k. The engine/trans has 55k. Low miles either way for this car. The car is equipped with the rare and desired "squirter block engine" and also has hard to find Limited Slip Differential, and even rarer "rub-strip-delete factory option. The car is issue-free and amazing. It needs an amazing owner, and it could be you.
NOTE: the water on the ground is from washing the car. Car has no leaks.
Good bidding,
Kevin
When a car such as this was described as "issue free", "everything works PROPERLY ", and a few great attributing qualities, I too would expect an "issue free" car. As far as the broken odometer, I don't think too many people would even notice when they are inspecting the car.
In summary, there are 2 poles here.
One group thinks the buyer should have been less trusting and be more careful inspecting and scrutinizing the car before handing over the cash.
One group thinks the seller should have been more honest in disclosing these hidden issues instead of misrepresenting them as "everything works" and "issue free."
Steve
Gentleman,
To start, we are auctioning off a very well known 928 in the internet enthusiast community, and sadly, of all the Porsche cars I have sold, this happens to be my personal car and personal issues force sale. I have owned 30 of these 928's over the years and this one has always stayed with me. I will explain why. The car has undergone a thorough mechanical overhaul including engine, ,suspension(Bilstein/Eibach), brakes/rotors/pads, exhaust(sounds incredible!), $10,000 paint job, Paul Champagne leather interior( world-renowned craftsman) Clutchmaster's clutch which is very smooth, 928 INT. short shift kit (unbelievable!), New battery, fresh timing belt, water pump, new steering rack, plugs,wires,caps, Dino steering wheel, Ice-cold A/C. new ECU'S. So much more and everything functions properly. The car has all factory keys( all 5!), org. window sticker(70K), spare, complete toolkit, airpump, tirebag and gloves, extra factory belts, all still there! all manuals and records from new, documented totaling over 50k. Bought from org. owner who is a retired admiral. The engine was completely overhauled at 80k miles and the odo shows 134.8k. The engine/trans has 55k. Low miles either way for this car. The car is equipped with the rare and desired "squirter block engine" and also has hard to find Limited Slip Differential, and even rarer "rub-strip-delete factory option. The car is issue-free and amazing. It needs an amazing owner, and it could be you.
NOTE: the water on the ground is from washing the car. Car has no leaks.
Good bidding,
Kevin
When a car such as this was described as "issue free", "everything works PROPERLY ", and a few great attributing qualities, I too would expect an "issue free" car. As far as the broken odometer, I don't think too many people would even notice when they are inspecting the car.
In summary, there are 2 poles here.
One group thinks the buyer should have been less trusting and be more careful inspecting and scrutinizing the car before handing over the cash.
One group thinks the seller should have been more honest in disclosing these hidden issues instead of misrepresenting them as "everything works" and "issue free."
Steve
Things break on cars when they sit, I have seen it time and time again.
I honestly do not understand all of the drama here, just fix the few issues and be done with it, the car is a one of a kind 928 that the owner seems to love, it is a stunning car, bought at a very good price.
The odometer broke in mine between the time the PO parked it and I bought it, he had just had the emissions test done, so the mileage was a couple of thousand more than what the emissions test said, sure nuff did not work when I bought it.
The PO also said everything else worked, and I think it did when he was driving the car, but not when I got it going after it had not been driven.
mine sat a lot longer, but the same things happened.
Kevins rep is far to important to him to try to pull some thing over on a 928 owner, that much I do know.
12-11-2010 | 08:33 PM
#114
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Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 187
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From: San Francisco Bay Area, Santa Clara
"One group thinks the buyer should have been less trusting and be more careful inspecting and scrutinizing the car before handing over the cash.
One group thinks the seller should have been more honest in disclosing these hidden issues instead of misrepresenting them as "everything works" and "issue free."
Am I the only one in both groups? Both views are correct, IMHO.
One group thinks the seller should have been more honest in disclosing these hidden issues instead of misrepresenting them as "everything works" and "issue free."
Am I the only one in both groups? Both views are correct, IMHO.
12-11-2010 | 09:12 PM
#116
Rennlist Member
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 8,694
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From: Frankenmuth, Michigan
^^^^
Ha! I was thinkin' the same thing... Gretch just sittin' back, with a chuckle say "I'll let them have this one out" <---- in whatever "mountain man" speak.
Seriously though, I think a follow-up/closing response from LGL is in order. I think we all deserve to know his current status.
I never did receive a response to my offer to help.
Ha! I was thinkin' the same thing... Gretch just sittin' back, with a chuckle say "I'll let them have this one out" <---- in whatever "mountain man" speak.
Seriously though, I think a follow-up/closing response from LGL is in order. I think we all deserve to know his current status.
I never did receive a response to my offer to help.
12-11-2010 | 09:46 PM
#119
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What a waste of my life reading this thread....... last I checked their are only a handfull of people who have been banned from being "members" therefore it is not a very selective or exclusive "club" .......anytime you buy anything look at it and make your own judgements. Then simply man up and live with the results .