Nicole

I just took another look at the pictures of the wide rear fenders of this car, and the first thing that came to my mind was "WHOA!!!"

safulop

Holy crap I'd be just as mad as the OP. The people saying "all the cars have issues" remind me of that old salt "just be glad you have a job" which often comes out when somebody says they are underpaid.

This was not a good deal, plain and simple. At this point, the only thing to do is to just take the bitter with the sweet and move forward to fix up the car. At least it is fundamentally a good car, but I don't believe any of us would have paid $19K for this car if we had seen it in person and found all these warts.

slate blue

I think there is a lot a good and advice and wise words here. I think that experience should tell us that the most dangerous statement to make is a flawless 928. As soon as you say that something will stop working. I think as a buyer with some worldly experience I would be expecting some issues. Really in that case you are holding the seller to account for what might be called stupidity or naivety or is it that if the faults were listed it would do an injustice to the condition of the rest of the car.

I Think Greg's B suggestion of going halves is a good idea, that way there is some acknowledgment on the part of the seller and some concession on the part of the buyer.

I don't buy the need for a PPI when the car is known and being touted as it was. Doesn't Ebay rely on accurate descriptions. The seller is making a tout and can be expected to be held to it. You have to meet that standard here as long as you paid with a credit card. Otherwise it becomes very messy here with court proceedings. Best of luck sorting it out.

Greg

Fabio421

He mentioned in the ad that he was selling due to personal issues. Maybe he's dealing with something right now and hasn't gotten your messages. Who knows. I'm not making excuses. The car was not delivered as described. He plainly states that the car has no leaks. See what Ebay will do. I doubt you will get any remedy from them unless he does alot of paypal business.

safulop

I think this raw deal should remind us of the dangers of buying by remote, using Ebay or whatever. Ebay's Vehicle Purchase Protection program specifically states that issues or discrepancies that could be easily discovered without mechanical knowledge from an in-person inspection (like, the hatch release, radio, AC problem, broken odometer) are not covered under the program. If a PPI were somehow hired by remote, they would most likely focus on big-ticket things like the running condition, vacuum leaks in the engine, suspension etc. They probably wouldn't even try stuff like the hatch release. There is no substitute for seeing with your own eyes.

tilac999

Car was misrepresented. Period.

I bought a car on ebay this past summer. Paid the deposit and drove 200 miles with cash to pick it up. Turned out 'needs nothing, ready for summer' was far from true and I'm not talking about minor issues. Seller lied, 'buyer' walked, lesson learned. I was lucky.

blitz928

My car is still for sale....

daveo90s4

"when I tried to put on aux jack points tonight, I discovered the frame is too bent up to accept them"

What auxiliary jack points? I hope you are not talking about the longitudinal box sections inboard at the front.

Dave928S

I think he may be talking about putting Carls rail strengtheners on and the rails being too bent to fit them, from previous inappropriate jacking on those box sections.

Leon Speed

Regardless of the price, if you love the car then spend some time to fix it. The problems described sound like they can be easily solved, but some work is needed. This you can do yourself. The bent frame sounds out of place, but if you can post some pictures it can be cleared up.

Dave928S

The rails may be able to be straightened fairly easily. I can give you a method for doing it through the inspection plug holes in the floor .. but it depends how bad they are as to how much improvement you can make.
As Aryan said ... post some pics and we can see what you're up against.

auzivision

You bought the car so it is what it is and there is no turning back now.
The bent "rails" you are probably looking at are used to hold the floor board in place... nothing more not worth worrying about. The jack points don’t bend… it’s the floor rails that often get confused as structural that will bend if used for jack stands.
The all or none A/C syndrome is usually the external temp sensor hiding in the drivers front wheel well on the end of a black tube used to feed cooling air to the alternator. Either the wire the sensor or wire is bad/not connected.

Find and fix the PS fluid leak before it makes a mess of the place. Trust me on this, I ran leaky for a couple years and am still cleaning up that mess. Need to inspect the rack, pump, reservoir, and four lines. Maybe you’ll get luck and it will be a loose hose clamp or the cheap reservoir to pump line.

Anytime you aren’t happy, take the car for a long hard ride… attitude adjustment completed. By the way… what are your questions about the car? Maybe other around here might be able to answer them for you.

kccampro

If it’s any consolation to the Buyer, I’ve driven the car you’ve bought and it is quite spectacular. I think you got a very nice car for the money and I know firsthand what when into building it. I am sorry to hear that some things are not working as expected. No, those are not GTS quarters, they are handmade, all-metal flares that were put on only a handful of 928’s (mine being one of them) by the Seller of this particular S4. All the best with the car, it’s easily one of my favorite 928’s and I hope you are able to resolve any outstanding issues.

Gary Knox

PM sent.

Gary-

Benton

The problem is this: It is common mentality in the 928 community (especially those that aren't as in-tune with the cars like Rennlist members are) to describe a car as good or view it as sell-able when, in reality, the car has quite a few issues.

This is one of the problems with the value of the cars--everyone expects them to have issues when they buy, so they don't put up as much money at first. To me, you should disclose all issues when a car is sold. Unfortunately, it is apparent that a lot of people don't think the same way some of us do.

Regardless, you have an awesome car that really doesn't need a whole lot of work. Like others have said, the paint job and interior work, to me, offset the mechanical issues. For $19k I'm not sure, but it still has great potential.