Matt F.

Initially, it wasn't an attack on him- it was a challenge to the claims he was making and supporting what others had responded about said claims.

If the lay of the land is to not confront things like this, then any looney bird can make a claim and it becomes the norm to accept said claim. My responses only started to 'attack' him when he attacked my rationally-based sensibility. And honestly, what you perceived as me attacking him was just a series of reducing his argument to what it is based on- absolutely nothing. At least I had a fun time this afternoon with it. Hope others enjoy my humor.

Sorry, I don't back down or cower to people who wrongfully try to debase my sensibility. From a PM from a member who has been here alot longer than I, it seems this clown's claims have rubbed many people the wrong way.

Now I know the lay of the land- that what I put into words, others were thinking and feeling. I just have the ***** to do it without consideration of how others may perceive my confrontational attitude toward someone who said 'trust me, I did it.'

Imo000

How do you know they are experts? Unless you have first hand experience on a certain topic, please don't comment.

EspritS4s

Go back and read this and some of Brett's other threads. He has been challenged (and ridiculed) plenty. You're not saying anything that hasn't been said before. There are plenty of people here who don't pull any punches.

However, if you just like stirring up old threads, here's a few more topics to drag up:

HP vs. Torque
Centrifugal vs. Twinscrew
928 or 944
What's the best oil to use
Automatic vs. manual
How much does it cost to own a 928

That should keep you busy for a while

Matt F.

Imo000...here's your quote just to refresh your memory...

Jon B.

Wow, I'm actually interested in this thread now!

Matt F.

NOW I know what you meant by your post



Hope my first impressions on everyone show my true colors.

928mac

. . . Remember

bcdavis

The confusion is due to the fact that Brett has the credentials to pull this off. His nitrous guy also seems to have the credentials to build a pretty insane nitrous system. So it's entirely possible they really have done it.

It's just frustrating, because if I was trying to prove I had the fastest 928 around, I would know I would need to document it. Just going out in the boonies with a GPS or using the speedometer is not proof anyone will accept. I can tell tons of stories about my top speed runs in many vehicles. 130mph in a 280z, 160mph in the 928, 175mph on my Honda, etc. But those are just stories. Just my speedometer readings. If I want to "prove" I broke some kind of record, or entered the 200mph club, I know I need proof. Video, radar, GPS, witnesses, etc.

If Brett has a road where he was able to do this run, then he can do the exact same run with someone holding a radar/lidar gun, and someone else holding a video camera inside the car...

They sell consumer LIDAR units for around $300-500 on ebay...
They also be rented by the week.

hacker-pschorr

The fact that he has yet to post a simple dyno chart past 380rwhp, and defended this by stating there isn't a dyno in the U.K. that could handle his car.....was when all the BS really started.

The idea of a 500+rwhp 928 traveling past 200mph is not disputed by anyone.

The problem is, Brett going for the attention ***** extraordinaire award wasn't satisfied with simply claiming 500-600rwhp, he starting making statements about 1000-1300hp.
Had he stayed with realistic power claims, there would be far less doubters.

Not to mention his setup I doubt would be allowed at any legitimate sanctioned speed event from a safety standpoint alone, which causes many to question what type of racing "professional" is really involved with this project.

tv

I don't care 1 way or the other about this speed record, but ....


What is this physics stuff? nothing special on this 928 (devek car) if you freeze frame at :05 other than sideskirts.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ut9i91w3Dw


I watched a speed channel special on BMW 6 series intro showing Hans Stuck hit 200 in traffic on the autobahn completely relaxed link to other guys talking about it here - http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=190270

I have seen more cars than I can remember hit 190+ on European highways in youtube videos including a ZR-1. All off the dealer floor.

I have driven mine very fast and it was solid as a rock. I have always been under the impression that the 928 was designed for sustained high speed autobahn cruising. Motorweek drove a 928GT at mid 160's in Germany for over 1 hour in perfect comfort in 1989. There is also an amazing 24 hour distance/endurance record held by the 928.


SO - How specifically do the laws of physics stop this claim from having happened? Is there a specific speed where a car does something?

Hold On

Yep..they do.

tv

194 mph in a break in the traffic on a stock vette @4:35 -- physics?? no helmet, no rollbar, even a passenger holding a camera on a regular highway in more than light traffic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ys7HutH54No

mark kibort

I know ! these guys are so funny
200mph, big deal! just takes hp and 4 tires that dont pop. it doesnt have wings, its not going to take off. it has its weight in downforce, its not going anywhere! (especially on pavement)

mark kibort

There is some skill involved with a 13second run, and what was said about the NOS application is key. how do you engage? Im sure he didnt have my crafty system that used the dead pedal to apply NOS. if its a button, you would be lucky to get any of the first 2 gears to be run with NOS. (hard to race and push buttons ! )

I would say though, the devek car, at porkey weights, would do mid 12s if it was at the weight that Bretts car is.

Cd is about .34-.36 \

mark kibort

his aerodynamics are fine. most all cars are in a ball park range of 200mph capable when 500engine hp is available.

dont forget, the holbert car with only 290rwhp was able to run 180mph at Nardo. I have no doubt that a 200hp shot would get an S4 to the 205mph range. 180 to 205 is about 14% faster. cube that, and you need about 50% more power. 450hp will get very close to the trick. keep in mind, we dont know what devek had going on, but it was more than 420rwhp but less than 460rwhp. devek didnt break the 500rwhp until they did the additional modifications. (ITBs, etc)