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Old 12-03-2017, 01:11 PM
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Custom offset inlet outlet mufflers in front of the rear axle could add some volume, but in terms of flow area this is pretty much the largest one can go.

Personally, I think John’s designed and fabricated a really beautiful exhaust system:


Old 12-03-2017, 02:40 PM
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Beautiful work! When the left rear tire goes through a pothole, how close does the control arm articulate to the outer pre-muffler pipe? Probably an optical illusion but it looks really close.
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Originally Posted by Rob Edwards
Beautiful work! When the left rear tire goes through a pothole, how close does the control arm articulate to the outer pre-muffler pipe? Probably an optical illusion but it looks really close.
Shouldn't be a problem. Those pictures don’t communicate the third dimension very well. It shouldn’t be any closer there than the previous 3” systems.
Old 12-03-2017, 05:43 PM
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Sweet!!!
Come on!!! How does it sound!?!?
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Yes beautiful workmanship, but seeing those big pipes surrounding that wimpy trans makes me think of this picture, as soon as the motor goes to full boost (munch)
Old 12-03-2017, 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by 90 S-4


Yes beautiful workmanship, but seeing those big pipes surrounding that wimpy trans makes me think of this picture, as soon as the motor goes to full boost (munch)
Is that the transmission staring at my two wimpy turbos? ;-)

In in all seriousness, this is a street car on street tires. To make this combo live healthy on slicks on track for an hour would mean changing a lot of things.
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I wish you guys would have made some type of quick disconnect for the rear muffler. I'd love to see Dyno numbers and readings with and without it. I have a feeling that muffler is gonna cause some problems.
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Originally Posted by BauerR
I wish you guys would have made some type of quick disconnect for the rear muffler. I'd love to see Dyno numbers and readings with and without it. I have a feeling that muffler is gonna cause some problems.
We have pressure sensors and an excel spreadsheet so we’ll know exactly how well the muffler works in terms of flow and power. Plus the whole rear section is replaceable with V-bands.

Why do you think the rear muffler would cause problems?
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Sure doesn't look like there's going to be any problem ...

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It's not so much the muffler as it is everything cramming down to 4" on exit
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Originally Posted by BauerR
It's not so much the muffler as it is everything cramming down to 4" on exit
Its 4.5” and after exhaust has cooled.

My math says 4” would be just right, but John wanted to make absolutely sure there’s no restriction.
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Originally Posted by Dave928S
Sure doesn't look like there's going to be any problem ...

yeah, just intuitively, that doesn’t look restrictive, right? ;-)
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Originally Posted by ptuomov
Its 4.5” and after exhaust has cooled.
Exactly and what happens to air when it's cooled?
I hope it all works out, I just wish you had an easy option to go back and forth.
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Originally Posted by BauerR
Exactly and what happens to air when it's cooled?
I hope it all works out, I just wish you had an easy option to go back and forth.
When the exhaust gas cools its density goes up, which means velocity goes down unless you are stepping down the pipe size, which means that for the same loss per foot of pipe you can use a smaller diameter pipe. The maximum pipe size is required at the point where the wastegate circuit merges and the banks are still separate. After pulses get combined between banks, the required cross-sectional area goes down and then as the exhaust gas cools it goes down further. All the high powered factory exhaust systems nowadays have huge cross sectional areas around the cats and then the pipe size is stepped down pretty dramatically towards the tail pipe muffler, before the mostly visual big tailpipe tip.

Although I think 4” at the tail pipe would be enough, I think 4.5” is good for experimentation as we can use inserts in that tail pipe to reduce the diameter and see how that impacts power and sound.

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Originally Posted by Walt L
Sweet!!! Come on!!! How does it sound!?!?
Don't know, but John's very close to firing it up.

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