Thats what she said.

 

I've read them. I've also read this:
http://www.autorepair.ca.gov/80_BARR...uidelines.html

... and this:
http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermk...es/amquery.php

...and this:
http://www.epa.gov/compliance/resour...ighlights.html

...and a whole lot of stuff from these:
www.arb.ca.gov/html/lawsregs.htm
www.epa.gov/lawsregs/


While maybe in some people's opinion it should, that really doesn't have much at all to do with whether it's legal or not.

Those parts all look really nice, but there's only one or two that I would have looked at as far as being some of the illegal ones going into the car. What I'd be looking for in regards to those parts that are in the picture wouldn't be visible in it anyway. Was it just a coincidence that your picture didn't include any of the primary and most blatantly illegal parts for the car that I would have pointed out?

I'm really very aware that it's taken seriously in California. Are all those street engines that you're referring to smogged? Probably. Has anyone from the agencies that would be involved taken a close look at them yet? Probably not. Are they legal? I'm pretty sure that you know the answer to that just as well as I do.

You knowingly build and sell engines that are clearly illegal for street cars, and you've been doing it for years. Some people here are apparently under the impression that they are legal for street cars. Rather than clarifying that they're not legal, you try to tell people to ignore someone who's pointing that out, and you just keep trying to build and sell them. I guess my pointing it out could be bad for business. What kind of credibility rating does that have? As far as post counts go, C.A.R.B. and the EPA don't have any posts on here. I wonder what kind of credibility they'd have. You might have me on ignore, but I don't think that either one of those agencies do. I don't think that they're as easy to put on ignore as I am, and what they have to say about it might be pretty bad for business as well.

So you've been "in the process of doing the paperwork for a CARB exemption". I don't remember ever seeing anything from the EPA or C.A.R.B. about it being okay to build and sell engines that are in violation first, for years, and then trying to get an exemption later. I also didn't see anything about it being okay if somebody only violates the applicable laws only a very, very, few times.


Despite what you may have been told or led to believe, they are NOT legal. I'm well aware that pointing this out isn't going to be popular with some people here, but that doesn't change the facts concerning the issues of legality. If I were trying to win a popularity contest here, it would be easy to say "Sure they're legal! All of the modifications that you guys think about doing are legal. Driving as fast as you want, any time that you want is legal too!" Might be popular here, but not true.

Sorry to bring a dose of reality to some of you, but when some government authorities show up, they may be kind of a buzz-kill too.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nq6IFFcVN6A

Besides the street racing, emissions tampering, and illegal modifications, like unapproved engine parts, modified vehicle lighting, probably window tint law violations, and similar things were part of what was going on in that video. I'm sure that somebody out there's thinking that street racing's different. That is true. The penalties for violation of some of the emissions related laws are a lot more severe and serious than for just street racing. Throw in knowingly and repeatedly violating those laws over a period of time, and they can really frown on it and start piling on a list of other things if they want to. Did you notice where it said "false statements, conspiracy, fraud, obstruction of justice" on that one EPA web page? A lot of times it seems like they're not real fond of that stuff either.

Something that well publicized events like the one in the video do is to make others think twice about doing the same thing. Another is that it's a nice feather in their cap, and helps justify the funding that they receive. Trying to make sure that your agency continues to receive funding probably isn't something that anybody in California is worried about right now though, is it? I mean would there really be much public support in California for a crack down on what some might consider rich Porsche owners, who've knowingly been violating state and federal laws for a long period, basically thumbing their nose at those laws like they don't apply to them, in order to make their gas guzzling cars even faster on public roads?

This may be going off topic, but I must be getting old or something. This whole internet thing still amazes me sometimes. I can remember when people had to write a letter, or call during business hours to file a complaint with some government agency like C.A.R.B. or the EPA. Now it looks like all it takes is a couple of mouse clicks and keystrokes.

 

Larry, why do you care?

 

Good question..........

let's hear the answer........

 

That sounds like a threat to me, are you really that small a person who would file a report to the EPA or CARB?

 

This is just a real special kind of dip****.

 

What is on Larry's Profile page:

Larry, I and others here in this forum can appreciate the intelligence reflected in your posts. I like intelligent people, helps me understand what the other side is like. However, there is a difference between intelligence and being smart. Your position though correct on principle and law is churning and turning you into a pariah (a word I saw an intelligent person use once... thought I'd try it).

I for one think debate and a bit of contention is good in forums like these, but your comments seem incongruous for a member of the 928 Rennlist community. I would think your principle and tone in this matter makes many uncomfortable and perhaps will make some less likely to provide assistance to any future requests you submit for information or support.

I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed, but at least I'm a tool. Ive been around long enough, have done and seen enough, to know it's mostly better to be smart than intelligent.

 

All right, as the ******* who started this whole smog debate (post 17), I retract what I said. It was a f*cking joke, anyway. This topic seems like it's about to go too far.
We are all here because we are fans of the Porsche 928. Right? If we were really all THAT concerned, we wouldn't even own one. We would be driving electric cars or biodiesels or riding our bicycles or taking the bus. We certainly wouldn't be out driving a big thirsty V8 2-seater. It's like the pot calling the kettle black.
If the cars breathe cleanly, does it really matter if the thing has an aftermarket cat, or a different intake? I mean, I know the laws are there for good reason, but the last thing ANYONE (at least in this forum I think) wants is some bureaucrat looking under their hood! There is enough of that in the world already.
Larry, if it was such a big deal, why are you supercharging your car? Is it going to improve emissions or get better gas mileage?
Greg, if you are so concerned, why do you build up engines for people? You could dismantle or de-tune them instead.
I'm not trying to **** you guys off, but why has this issue so exploded? Aren't we all more or less of the same mentality?

Now I gotta go take a paramedic test. I shouldn't even be on Rennlist right now.

Have a GREAT day, everyone!!!

 

To be fair, smart doesn't mean going around trying to convince yourself a falsity is true.
Which is why this thread should go away......

I hate threads like this, we are all ultimately on the "same side" yet still find something to flame on about.

There have been laws proposed in some states that would make buying anything but the 100% OEM spec original tire illegal. We need to stick together and maybe all join SEMA since they are the only line of defense the collector car hobby has.

 

I do not think any body is pissed at you.

But yea, this could get ugly.

 

I would hope that Larry is just being informative and that he is just trying to be helpful to the community. The posts do not come across that way, actually they come off really insulting and vengeful. As there are quite a few people on this list that own/operate auto repair shops, who also do modification work, such things do not go over well.

(I'd never install an after market cat/x-pipe, intake or other. Nor would I consider installing a super charger or anything that is not exactly stock for fear of the EPA/CARB/WTF fines. I might have to stop oil changes too)

The majority of us want to help others to improve on what Porsche gave us. Pissing off a few doesn't help anyone. We've lost enough valuable members for less that what we are seeing in this thread.

Erik, nobody is looking at ya funny. Don't sweat it.

 

I've done some research here on Larry's posts.

https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...er-tech-4.html

https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...gal-in-ca.html

https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...ml#post5087408



It simply just seems to be someone who was perfectly fine before, pro-mod - but now that his good friend carl has had a spat, he is now fully against greg brown. And because he was prickly before this, he is now a full blown ******* who will follow greg around posting useless ****.

So - my advice to Greg Brown is to put the dip**** on ignore, and everyone else not interested in his bull**** to click the little red triangle - reporting him for trolling.

 

I believe the answer to your question would be "taunting" by a select few. So knock it off guys!

Ok everyone, as entertaining as this has been I think we can, and should, call it quits for this thread.

For the last few "taunting" posts, my advice would be to delete them and not continue to stir the pot.

Larry, Greg, everyone, we all good? I thought so.

Thanks.

 

Ah, got it. Thanks fellas.

The passive aggressive stuff is unmanly and without dignity.

Anyone ever hear Anderson and Roberts hacking on eachother?

NO, you have not.

THAT is the standard. Many of you adhere to it..........the rest are well advised to step up.

 

Oh Great! Now my name will forever be linked to this nightmare of a thread. The first guy always takes it for the team. Think i`m gunna medicate and go back to work.