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I mean those stroker engines of yours, that you install into street cars, violate a whole list of both State and Federal emissions laws.
Larry-
Since you seem to know a lot about Greg's engines, I'll tell you what- book a ticket to Sharktoberfest '10 and we can go over my car, maybe put it up on the lift at Mark's, pop the hood, check the gas cap, pull the belly pans off, the whole nine yards. I'll bring my California registration and my Smog certificate. Then you can point out what laws I'm violating. Mkay?
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I'd worry more about the methane from the cows before I'd worry about a supercharged 928 lol
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Larry-
Since you seem to know a lot about Greg's engines, I'll tell you what- book a ticket to Sharktoberfest '10 and we can go over my car, maybe put it up on the lift at Mark's, pop the hood, check the gas cap, pull the belly pans off, the whole nine yards. I'll bring my California registration and my Smog certificate. Then you can point out what laws I'm violating. Mkay?
Since you seem to know a lot about Greg's engines, I'll tell you what- book a ticket to Sharktoberfest '10 and we can go over my car, maybe put it up on the lift at Mark's, pop the hood, check the gas cap, pull the belly pans off, the whole nine yards. I'll bring my California registration and my Smog certificate. Then you can point out what laws I'm violating. Mkay?
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Geez... a lotta crap to read first thing in the morning! Talk about knowing more nothin' about nothin' -sounds like a bad copy of Seinfeld.
Stroker or Supercharger or Turbocharger... if the cats are there, the various requisite filters & sensors are there -they should all be capable of meeting or exceeding any federal or state (even Kommiefornia) emission requirements...
Back on topic- yes, Hold On... there are a lot of VERY knowledgable folks on here and more often than not, their egos are in check and will offer any assistance they can.
Myself... I have forgotten more insignificant details about things of unimportance than I could possibly recall...
Stroker or Supercharger or Turbocharger... if the cats are there, the various requisite filters & sensors are there -they should all be capable of meeting or exceeding any federal or state (even Kommiefornia) emission requirements...
Back on topic- yes, Hold On... there are a lot of VERY knowledgable folks on here and more often than not, their egos are in check and will offer any assistance they can.
Myself... I have forgotten more insignificant details about things of unimportance than I could possibly recall...
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As long as it can't be seen by most people, it's legal? I'm pretty sure that C.A.R.B. and the EPA wouldn't agree, but you could see what they say about that. If I come and start looking, can I bring some of those guys along? Maybe I'm not fully aware of all of the laws, and I could ask them questions about some of the things that I see. I'm sure that they'd be pretty interested. I bet that they'd enjoy learning all about the car, and would probably even want to get a first hand look at Greg's shop, and all of the other cars he's worked on.
The results of these stroker motor emission tests blew my mind. I'd put one in tomorrow if the situation allowed it.
Go back and read the replies that you responded to. Nothing is being hidden. These engines are legal, not pull the wool over your eyes and see what you can get away with.
Dude, you are just looking for someone to **** on aren't you. Go drive your shark and get in a better mood.
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Geez... a lotta crap to read first thing in the morning! Talk about knowing more nothin' about nothin' -sounds like a bad copy of Seinfeld.
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Myself... I have forgotten more insignificant details about things of unimportance than I could possibly recall...
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Myself... I have forgotten more insignificant details about things of unimportance than I could possibly recall...
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As long as it can't be seen by most people, it's legal? I'm pretty sure that C.A.R.B. and the EPA wouldn't agree, but you could see what they say about that. If I come and start looking, can I bring some of those guys along? Maybe I'm not fully aware of all of the laws, and I could ask them questions about some of the things that I see. I'm sure that they'd be pretty interested. I bet that they'd enjoy learning all about the car, and would probably even want to get a first hand look at Greg's shop, and all of the other cars he's worked on.
Larry-
You're missing the point- Greg's cars have already been inspected by CARB. They pass visual and smog testing with flying colors. Here's the smog report from Shawn Smith's car, done April '09:
It's cleaner than my wife's '03 Accord, which is a CARB-certified ULEV vehicle.
My car's going to have a factory intake. A factory MAF. Factory exhaust manifolds, cats, and exhaust. Factory FPR and dampers. Here are the parts. Please point out to me an illegal part in the picture.
You seem to think that Greg doesn't take the statutory requirements of running an automotive business in California seriously. All this talk about smog compliance isn't just blather, it's the law and is taken seriously here. I didn't get to California until 2002, but Greg will happily tell you about working in an open shop in Anaheim in the 1970's. Apparently it sucked. His street engines are in operation all over California (and elsewhere) and are legally registered and smogged.
So, until you've brought some real tech of your own to the conversation, please consider recanting your statements about Greg's engines and business practices.
Here was the view coming down the hill this morning. Somewhere up in the clouds is Mount Baldy, which is 55 miles away. We have plenty of motivation for clean air too:
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Yes, that's it...jealous. The last supercharged car I worked on had the crankcase breather venting directly to the atmosphere, which hasn't been legal since about 1957! I'm jealous that there are people building cars that have more emissions than any 1970 mussel car ever built!
It just seems that we should have come to the point, in time, where this kind of pollution shouldn't be tolerated.
"Smog-check free area" is the kind of thinking that causes the problems. There is no provision in the laws to de-federalise any motor vehicle. There will come a day where the government gathers all the information on the people that are providing this type of modification and "visits" all the people that have done it.
The government has done it before...and they will do it again...especially as it gets harder and harder for all the government agencies to "justify" their existence. The fines, however, are clear...$5,000 dollars per day...for everyone involved.
If you are making and selling this kind of polluting supercharger stuff...make sure that you are saving up $5,000 dollars per day...to pay your fines!
Figure that into your profit margin!
Performance and the environment can actually go hand in hand. I build high performance engines...that have way less emissions than the vehicle had before I touched it. That's performance!
It just seems that we should have come to the point, in time, where this kind of pollution shouldn't be tolerated.
"Smog-check free area" is the kind of thinking that causes the problems. There is no provision in the laws to de-federalise any motor vehicle. There will come a day where the government gathers all the information on the people that are providing this type of modification and "visits" all the people that have done it.
The government has done it before...and they will do it again...especially as it gets harder and harder for all the government agencies to "justify" their existence. The fines, however, are clear...$5,000 dollars per day...for everyone involved.
If you are making and selling this kind of polluting supercharger stuff...make sure that you are saving up $5,000 dollars per day...to pay your fines!
Figure that into your profit margin!
Performance and the environment can actually go hand in hand. I build high performance engines...that have way less emissions than the vehicle had before I touched it. That's performance!
WOW, $5000 per day for everyone involved??!!! That could get pretty expensive really fast. I guess I'm lucky I don't live in California.
For the record, the supercharger kits I provide are NOT legal for "on road use" in California.
Also, for the record FYI, neither are stroker motors legal in California for any year Porsche 928. Doesn't matter if they can pass emissions or not, still not legal. I would imagine they would be subject to the fines mentioned above, especially if they were manufactured in the same state I would think. I don't think I'm telling Greg anything he doesn't already know.
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How about some facts, not just random observations about what car passed what test....
Form the Lingenfelter website on their 427 stroker modification:
Items on this page are not legal for sale or use on California pollution controlled motor vehicles unless they are listed with an E.O. number.
Search here for E.O. information:
http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermk...es/amquery.php
"Engine Modification/Engine Change - kits that include multiple engine modifications such as new cylinder heads and camshafts, or boring and stroking; engine changes using an engine certified for another late model vehicle application, with additional engine modifications ."
I see Brabus is cleared to install a 6.1 Liter into the C43 Mercedes.
Form the Lingenfelter website on their 427 stroker modification:
Items on this page are not legal for sale or use on California pollution controlled motor vehicles unless they are listed with an E.O. number.
Search here for E.O. information:
http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermk...es/amquery.php
"Engine Modification/Engine Change - kits that include multiple engine modifications such as new cylinder heads and camshafts, or boring and stroking; engine changes using an engine certified for another late model vehicle application, with additional engine modifications ."
I see Brabus is cleared to install a 6.1 Liter into the C43 Mercedes.
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Come on man! You're killing me making me wait to see then end result of your stroker motor. I want to see the finished car. I think your engine was on the stand when I went out to get my car from Greg doing the PPI in November. So if it was particularly dirty and streaked near the end of November, that was my fault from drooling all over it.
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As long as it can't be seen by most people, it's legal? I'm pretty sure that C.A.R.B. and the EPA wouldn't agree, but you could see what they say about that. If I come and start looking, can I bring some of those guys along? Maybe I'm not fully aware of all of the laws, and I could ask them questions about some of the things that I see. I'm sure that they'd be pretty interested. I bet that they'd enjoy learning all about the car, and would probably even want to get a first hand look at Greg's shop, and all of the other cars he's worked on.
You've been bashing me for days now...on topics that you are clearly not involved in and have nothing to do with.
Look, you are a 466 post USER...not sure I or any of the "real" people here, care about anything you have to say, in the first place. You've got slightly less than zero credibility here.
I'm going to do what everyone should do with a 466 post cheap-***. Put you on ignore.
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Jeff-
I picked the wrong year to try to help/watch Greg build an engine- it's my tenure year during a period where the NIH funding levels suck, so I'm constantly writing grants and papers. Damn day jobs always getting in the way of the hobbies.
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I picked the wrong year to try to help/watch Greg build an engine- it's my tenure year during a period where the NIH funding levels suck, so I'm constantly writing grants and papers. Damn day jobs always getting in the way of the hobbies.
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Erik- Tried to PM you but RL says I can't. Does the info@murf e-mail work ok?