Imo000

That's almost the same SC that I'm running. Mine is a slightly newer version. That alone is worth $500.

Adrian_

What has the "in the US" to do with it? Do you think a Porsche event in Germany is so different? If you're that desperate about having the last word, what can I say, I feel generous today. Carry on

hacker-pschorr

Ricer has a 16V motor in his car with CIS. So to equal those results, he would first have to swap in a 32V 928 motor, brains, fuel pump and a few other odds and ends......then the boost.

And for a few thousand less he could have that kind of power, on the 32V motor with a supercharger. But Ricer and I have already discussed this in depth offline and in other threads.

blown 87

It has to do with the attitudes of people, and I have no doubt a Porsche event in Germany is going to be a lot different than a Porsche event here.

So I ask again, have you ever been to a Chevy or a Porsche event in the US.

The reason I ask is simple, to find out if you have a clue about the attitudes of the people here.

Adrian_

What was the part that you didn't got in this message?

I say you stop before starting to bash the attitude of US Porsche owners just in order to "save face" in some sort of internet dispute.

P.S. To make things clear I only visited the US twice, for a total of 17 days. Had no time for Porsche events. But there's a reasonable chance I know more americans then you do, due to my job.

rayfinkel

I do not understand your comment about the details of stopping and cornering the increased power. Does that mean you can not have increased power on a 928 motor and must keep it stock to stay within the factory design handling limits of the car or is the increased weight from a supercharger benificial to the handling of the 928?

Also you seem pretty worked up about this post.

Hey I have never been to a Porsche meet though. Are they really like that at one of those meets? If so I am glad I have never been. I would hate to pull up with me wife and son and be humiliated by saying I was not allowed to park there or was given rude comments.

Actually I don't think I should have responded after re-reading your post, its not worth it.

Allen T.

blown 87

I have not bashed any body but you.

And I am sure you are right, you must know more American car folks than I do.

Adrian_

I'm sure that only the car folks count. The hundreds of US military personnel I met and talked to in Bosnia and Afganistan are irrelevant. Tho there might have been some car folks among them, who knows.

As I said, carry on please. From now on I'll just watch amused how you make a fool of yourself.

hacker-pschorr

FWIW there are three "main" Porsche events at Road America. Two of them will not allow a Chevy powered 928 run on the track, the third one is a free for all.

As for parking.....I wouldn't go near the entrance of the Corvette Corral, other than that, no issues.

GregBBRD

Allen:

Indeed components are generally matched for the power output of the engine. No big secret there. As the 928 models evolved and more power was made, the suspension and the braking systems evolved, also. The 928 I have, in my shop, with the 350 Chevy in it, was a 1979 model and the engine made the car go way faster than the brakes could deal with.....scary.

I'm not worked up, at all. His choice of an engine has absolutely nothing to do with my life. Different strokes for different folks. However, I've been there and done this....which enables me to share the things I found. The Porsche people (PCA, POC) won't let you run your Chevy powered car at their events. The Chevy guys don't like their cars being driven over by a Porsche...so they don't want you either. When I had my 911 with a nasty Chevy engine in it, I could only run it with the Cobra Owner's Club. They didn't care, either way....they were Ford guys, so they could laugh as you passed their 427 Cobra on the outside of turn 1 , at Willow.

Here's the best advice I can give Ricer:

Have fun. Life is short. Make informed choices to save time.

GregBBRD

Greg:

Let this go. No big deal. I don't think he read and understood my points.

Adrian:

I tried to let everyone know that I have no "over the top Porsche purism", but that I've actually been down this road, still help with these projects, and understand it. However, since he is trying to build a racer....I think it is wise to know that there are limited places that you can run a car of this nature.

GlenL

A number of guys have started to develop their dream race cars without looking first at where they'd race them. Lots of organizations will let you do "HPDE" with whatever passes tech but to race you've got to be in a class and that means rules for evenness. Make it about driving and cleverness and not about disposable income.

I'm toying with SP1. I can afford that.

RicerSchnitzzle

Wow, the usual can of worms this subject gets... did I mention the 383 only works with amsoil?

I take no offense from any who give me or the topic a hard time. I wouldn't have posted with out expecting some opposing oppinions. That's the whole idea, bounce ideas of the veterans and maybe shine the light on an option folks have dismissed to quickly.

Greg, I didn't take offense, I actually thought your comment was more in jest than anything. I respect your wisdom on the subject once elaberated in more detail than just "get a camaro". And blown means nothing but the best. We have dealt with each other on and offline and he is a very stand up gentleman.

Folks get two heated on the internet and a debate becomes an argument too quickly. Sometimes it's okay to disagree. For example my local PCA might relegate me to the rear paddock, but at my local car shows it'll get way more attention than a stock 928. I think it would get more attention at PCA events as well thought may just be pointing and laughing.

This is a fun car I can tinker on and go fast in. I still have two other sharks to satisfy the purists.

You can buy 450hp 383s for $3-4K all day long, $5-6K for 500hp. Not as sophisticated as a stock or boosted engine but the come preassembled with warranty and a butt load of power. Sometimes folks mix up what's best with good enough. It's great I can buy a microwave big enough to cook a turkey in...but I don't eat turkey, a less expensive micro will still get me the results I want. Sure a $20K stroker would be better, but it's more than I need, and more than I care to spend.

Silence!.......... I keeel you.

ShawnSmith

Ricer - I totally agree that for way cheaper dollars, you can make a chevy accelerate, handle and brake like at 928.

The thing which seems to be consistently missed is what it would cost to put the readily available $4k 383 SBC and get it properly integrated into a 928 chasis where it will fire, idle, romp around town, keep its coolant from boiling, trans which shifts rationally, and which can actually pass smog without epic bribes to your local inspector...

I completely agree that if you just want 400 rwhp, and some serious handling, the cheapest way to get there is spending around $10k on either some kind of affordably priced US ponycar iron, or a few specific import boost-R-us cars.

That's a well trodden road.

Wanna put together a 928 which does the same job, but in a different way, a path far less travelled? It'll probably cost a ton more. No question. But it will be unique, and fun, and something that a few crazy people wanna do.

ptuomov

I don't care if it's a Chevy or a Trabant, turbo is almost always the most cost effective horsepower. (Ok, include some superchargers there as well -- not looking for that fight tonight! ;-) )

The reason is simple. One of the most expensive things in a motor of a given size is high rpm limit. High RPM not so much "ruins people's motors" but ruins their finances. Turbo can make power at low rpm. For that reason, mildly boosted motors, such as S4 from 316hp -> 500hp with 9 psi of boost, are cheap.

I am not arguing against putting a SBC in the 928. Put it in if you want, but please also turbocharge it then! Otherwise, you're not getting the hp bang per buck. Nelson Racing Engines SBC F-Bomb project, for example, put out 1500hp at 5500 rpm. That's truckload lot of bang for only a medium-size brown paper bag full of c-notes!