STROKER?? Has Ricer Lost His %*&$&#)&^ Mind?
11-10-2009, 10:17 AM
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Let's see how it comes out, how much you spend and how happy you are for how long in the end. I'm not saying at all that you won't be happy and save money, but there are not a whole bunch of these on the board for reference yet. Yours will be the first I can recall where we will get a chance to see the process unfold, so do keep us posted . You might do a "Dwayne" on this so others who might be considering it could benefit from your experience, particularly if you are not using solely Renegade. Good luck!
11-10-2009, 10:41 AM
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Already $8k into it? So you will end up spending more than a good S/C kit... I wouldn't, but best of luck and I hope you're happy with it in the end 
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11-10-2009, 10:51 AM
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Ricer,
I'm interested in how this turns out.
You're thinking $10K or so? My buddy said he had $20k into his but he didn't do any wrenching himself.
Sometimes it is the journey. Sometimes it's the destination.
I'm interested in how this turns out.
You're thinking $10K or so? My buddy said he had $20k into his but he didn't do any wrenching himself.
Sometimes it is the journey. Sometimes it's the destination.
11-10-2009, 04:29 PM
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Incorrect. In CA the engine installed must meet or exceed the requirements for the year and class of vehicle in which it is installed. You can install anything in anything as long as it meets or exceeds the requirements of the VIN. So, in this case, whatever the tailpipe standards in place are for the year of 928, that is the benchmark. It needs no newer standards at all.
11-10-2009, 06:15 PM
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Doc I believe that you may be wrong on this one....In California if you put a 2000 model year engine into a 79 car all the emissions equipment evap gas recovery etc. for the newer engine must be in place and working as it did on the 2000 model car. That has been the issue with NEW crate engines and one reason old dated engine blocks were used in swaps to keep the requirements to a minimum.
Now I'm nost sure if an older engine goes into a newer chasis but could easily be that the emissions have to meet the requirements for the chasis.
11-10-2009, 06:30 PM
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So if you like the handling, style and feel of the 928, but maybe the engine could have a more powerful viable alternative for less money you should get a Camaro instead? To make a Camaro handle and look as good as a 928 would cost more. To make a 928 pull like a camaro cheap. Best of both worlds.
Really not following that logic. Oh wait it's an all or nothing deal. I keep forgetting the 928 was the first 100% in house Porsche designed by Jesus...
Sorry but with that attitude, no mods should be allowed. No exhaust changes, no bigger brakes, no SC or Turbo's, No aftermarket seats or roll bars, No steering wheel swaps, no Jager stick on fake wood trim. You can't fix perfection. Those electrical gremlins are just part of the perfect 928 charm, the designer (Jesus...) put in there to keep the car from being too Hubrus. After all who needs a car that can drive to Mt. Olympus?
If someone figured out how to put a strong 6 speed tranny in a 928, all the nay-sayers would be in line to upgrade, even if it came from a Corvette.
I guess I would expect more flack if I said the SBC was a better engine or outperformed the 928 engine. However, all I have said is it's more power for less money which, for those of us with kids in college, means something.
I love the 928 because it was part of my childhood. From the day my father said I would never drive his, I knew I would have one, then two, now three. I love it because it has a certain feel, handling and style. Hard to explain but most of us understand. To me the SBC swap does not change that for me. For you it may and that's totally okay. I'm also looking forward to something different and the challenge of the install. With the Money I save I can pay for some college and still maybe get an S4 to fix up...with a Yugo engine swap..
Really not following that logic. Oh wait it's an all or nothing deal. I keep forgetting the 928 was the first 100% in house Porsche designed by Jesus...
Sorry but with that attitude, no mods should be allowed. No exhaust changes, no bigger brakes, no SC or Turbo's, No aftermarket seats or roll bars, No steering wheel swaps, no Jager stick on fake wood trim. You can't fix perfection. Those electrical gremlins are just part of the perfect 928 charm, the designer (Jesus...) put in there to keep the car from being too Hubrus. After all who needs a car that can drive to Mt. Olympus?
If someone figured out how to put a strong 6 speed tranny in a 928, all the nay-sayers would be in line to upgrade, even if it came from a Corvette.
I guess I would expect more flack if I said the SBC was a better engine or outperformed the 928 engine. However, all I have said is it's more power for less money which, for those of us with kids in college, means something.
I love the 928 because it was part of my childhood. From the day my father said I would never drive his, I knew I would have one, then two, now three. I love it because it has a certain feel, handling and style. Hard to explain but most of us understand. To me the SBC swap does not change that for me. For you it may and that's totally okay. I'm also looking forward to something different and the challenge of the install. With the Money I save I can pay for some college and still maybe get an S4 to fix up...with a Yugo engine swap..
Just following your logic that the Chevy engine is cheaper...why not use it? Well everything is cheaper for the Camaro....why not just use the whole car? Bull**** about better handling and stopping....that's not real.
I've got both...American and German hot rods. I've personally owned Porsches with Chevys in them....I was there at the very beginning of stuffing Chevy engines in 911s and 914s. Had them....raced them....for years! I've got a 928, in my shop, with a 350 that we've been "making a car" out of. It had the "basic" home conversion done...stuff a giant engine in it and everything will be fine. Wrong. There's still a whole bunch of details that need to be addressed....like stopping and cornering the increased power. Get rid of the Walmart hose and the Home Depot plumbing pieces and they can be really nice cars....Plan on spending some bucks to make it nice.
Here's the difference, in a nut shell. Once you are done, the thing will sound like a Camaro....there's no way to get around it and make reasonable horsepower. The Chevy guys won't look twice at the car and the Porsche guys won't let you into their events....or even park near them.
You'd seriously do better to go buy and Camaro and fix it up. The Chevy guys will love it, it will be a better investment, and the Porsche guys will still not give a **** about it.
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11-10-2009, 07:38 PM
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11-10-2009, 07:52 PM
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A bit defensive, are we? Before you start throwing out crap, you might find out who you are talking to.
Bull**** about better handling and stopping....that's not real.
There's still a whole bunch of details that need to be addressed....like stopping and cornering the increased power.
The Chevy guys won't look twice at the car and the Porsche guys won't let you into their events....or even park near them.
Bull**** about better handling and stopping....that's not real.
There's still a whole bunch of details that need to be addressed....like stopping and cornering the increased power.
The Chevy guys won't look twice at the car and the Porsche guys won't let you into their events....or even park near them.
Ricer, good luck with your project, i'm by no means a SBC guy at all, and i'm not one to mix and match breeds (car-wise), but for what you're looking for (bang for the buck), you're probably going down the right path - as far as all the negative remarks go, i'm sure that if the chevy ever blows up, the cost to repair or replace it, as well as availability, etc., would be far cheaper and less frustrating than a similar situation with a Porsche engine, of which i'm sure you're aware - i'm sure it'll be a fun car when it's done, and probably faster than a lot of 928's out there, whether anyone wants to admit it or not -
i'm sure a lot of my old Pontiacs out-torqued and out-horsepowered my 928's by far, but it's 2 different worlds, and there are things my 928's do that the old iron couldn't do without major $ and labor -
best of luck to you, and kudos for being different...or more different than you already were, or...well, you get the point -
11-10-2009, 08:09 PM
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You need to learn first to avoid partial quotes that make a message unintelligible. Of course that without the quote of the talibaporsche message about being rejected from the parking lot of a Porsche event, my message doesn't mean much.
I understand that Ricer is making this engine swap for racing, not for Porsche gatherings. Therefore I very much doubt I'm the one in dire need of a clue.
I understand that Ricer is making this engine swap for racing, not for Porsche gatherings. Therefore I very much doubt I'm the one in dire need of a clue.
11-10-2009, 08:20 PM
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You need to learn first to avoid partial quotes that make a message unintelligible. Of course that without the quote of the talibaporsche message about being rejected from the parking lot of a Porsche event, my message doesn't mean much.
I understand that Ricer is making this engine swap for racing, not for Porsche gatherings. Therefore I very much doubt I'm the one in dire need of a clue.
I understand that Ricer is making this engine swap for racing, not for Porsche gatherings. Therefore I very much doubt I'm the one in dire need of a clue.
BTW, GB has forgotten more about Porsche's and cars in general than you are likely to ever know.
11-10-2009, 08:24 PM
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And the Porsche purism was misplaced because Ricer is building a racer, not a show car.
11-10-2009, 08:26 PM
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So I chose to go a slightly different direction. Renegade Hybrids! Ordered my kit 2 weeks ago, hoping it ships next week. I also ordered a 383 crate engine from Jegs. I just picked up my corvette bell housing and clutch parts from the local "U-pick 'em" salvage yard this morning. I got the kevlar clutch and flywheel upgrades from Renegade. Just hope 3rd gear holds up to the monster torque. 4900RPM on 93 octane. Pretty decent for $5K assembled and tested including water pump and MSD billet HEI distro. Engine makes 330HP and 421TQ way down at 2500rpms! Peak HP is not as important as area under the HP curve for acceleration IMO. Redline is north of 6500rpms, which is plenty.
I'm saving about $8K over a cheap stroker build. Maybe $13K saved over doing it right. With cost of 383 parts, grenading it is a cheap fix. Plus no wait for custom work or parts. Plus I won't feel guilty adding Nitrous back in..
I'm saving about $8K over a cheap stroker build. Maybe $13K saved over doing it right. With cost of 383 parts, grenading it is a cheap fix. Plus no wait for custom work or parts. Plus I won't feel guilty adding Nitrous back in..
