sty3x

This thread is a nice read ,but its funny how quickly people turn tides, some of the same people that were defending Ross, flaming me and posting immature posts in my "music in 928" are now taking there shot at Ross for something that had already been expected. I really do find it highly entertaining that you choose to "expose" the younger generation as the root of all evil in modern society.

Yet, I've seen people who are older ,so by their definition are mature being part of the older "generation" post the most immature posts I've seen an online forum as to ridicule the fact about my age or that i sometimes write my posts too quick. The part that gets to me and is really fueling me to write this one post is the fact I work for my money, my 928, my repairs, and yet I get the same treatment your giving little Ross here.

I never deceived anyone or stolen yet , like I stated I get treated in pretty much the same fashion as any other young guy I'm 18 so I must be a ****-up in your eyes I am a immature little kid who does drugs, drinks irresponsibly and drives like a lunatic. I won't say I'm perfect ,but why the overall generalization age/race,

Whatever, Immaturity is a sickness I hope you get better soon and you know who you are I don't want to call you out.

Bigs, sorry this happened to you ,you seem like a very caring person. One thing I've learned in the 18 years of life is that nice guys really do finish last you have to be a cold hearted ******* cause the rest of the world is and they are opportunists.

bigs

I will never be a cold-hearted *******.

I may, from time to time, take stern measures when stern measures are called for.

But I will always start from the assumption that people are fundamentally decent and good-hearted - just as I did with Ross.

Ron_H

Without taking sides , it seems to me that the only three entities that know the truth in this issue are Ross, the hotel, and GOD. More could know the truth, but not that has been established at this point.

AO

Amen brother! Benefit of the "reasonable" doubt.

JHowell37

I don't have kids. But I will say that people who use drugs and alcohol to self medicate often learn this behavior from other people such as their parents.

I wanted to remain neutral on the subject, but Ross's claim of a doctor "who specialized in getting people addicted to drugs" is what lost me along with is claim to take legal action.

Physicians are put into a hell of a dilemma with narcotics in recent years. On one hand, most of the people they treat have legit pain. On the other, the drugs that alleviate their pain are highly addictive. So what are they to do? Give a person the drugs and maybe they can work and be a productive member of society? Or take away the drugs and the person then becomes a burden? And then should we draw a line between addiction and abuse? Is addiction a problem if the addict only uses the prescribed amount and functions? I hope for the sake of medicine that someday someone can invent a machine to quantify and measure pain. It would certainly make the job of doctors much easier.

And one final thought, I've owned a sport bike but never had any hand injuries. I know how hard they can be on your hands and wrists without prior injury. I'm wondering how someone with a severely injured hand could ride across the country on a motorcycle.

bigs

That is true. OTOH, in my 61 years, I have never encountered a reputable hotelier who engages in the practice of making stuff up to fraudulently bill.

If such were the case in this situation, it would certainly be a first in my life!

That, coupled with Ross' beligerent, juvenile, profanity-laced response leads me to say this:

You're right - I don't KNOW the truth. But I know where I'd put my money if I were a betting man.

Edit: Let's just say this - there's such a thing as the preponderance of evidence.

Gretch

Not me. I expect people to behave in their own interests. I am never disappointed.

God and my miserable disposition, conspire to innoculate me from asswipes like this douche. Bigs is rightfully pissed.

Young people looking for guidance should thank their god for people like bigs.

hacker-pschorr

Send me the details, this is the first I've heard about that GTG. If premium gas is not $7 a gallon by then....

Shark Attack

might be time to put that octain loop on an easy to access switch huh?

hacker-pschorr

When you have 17psi on tap, a low octane loop is not an option, ever.

Shark Attack

ewww.. forgot about that.

Ron_H

You know, Bigs, I once knew a hotel manager in a very prestigious facility or worldwide repute. He would probably handle this by eating the cost of rehabbing the room, simply to keep goodwill and the hotel's reputation as a preferred destination in good condition. So it would be in this case, as well, I suspect. They would not miss the two hundred dollars but would miss the loss of reputation as hard asses in such a situation. In my friend's case, his job was to kiss the behinds of just about every celebrity known to mankind at one time of another, so he bent over backwards to do it, and the hotel kept it's five star rating. I wonder if there is any significance to that and this situation with Ross.

You are correct about the preponderance of the evidence. It has to be a factor. Hmmmm.......................

docmirror

No prob, I don't take it personal. Let me give you real world example, in case you missed my thread on my kids in OT. I'm a semi-responsible adult, I drink alcohol, and if I wanted to I could smoke(don't care for it). I have two kids. One is a world class gymnast. Honor student, 6th in a class or 570, genius IQ, graduating HS at 16, accepted to college already and will make an excellent Orthopedic surgeon in about 10 years. Other is a honor student, academic all American, musician, plays flute, alto & tenor sax, Bass and alto Clarinet, piano, and is a composer and arranger for the HS. He's been Tri-M(Music leadership) vice-prez for two years, and will be going to either U of Ill, or Vanderbilt next year.

I love talking about my kids, but the take-away here is that being an adult, and taking adult pleasure in consumption doesn't prohibit me from being a good parent. I agree completely with you that there are some kids(mine) who are responsible enough for adult decision making. Conversely, there are adults who shouldn't be left alone with a Bic lighter. As a society, we have to make generalizations with respect to adult responsibilities and behaviors. It is admittedly arbitrary and not always logical. It is however, equal to all parties. Once you reach 16 you may drive within limitations, at 18 you may be conscripted, smoke, and vote, at 21 you may consume alcohol. I'm not in agreement with the numbers, but as a society, it's what we've chosen.

My pure **** position seems to be doing ok........

Dean_Fuller

Bigs, sorry this happened to you ,you seem like a very caring person. One thing I've learned in the 18 years of life is that nice guys really do finish last you have to be a cold hearted ******* cause the rest of the world is and they are opportunists.[/QUOTE]

So very sad to read this. This is not the way anyone should want to live life! Of all the people I have helped in the past...only a small fraction return the favor in this manner. DON'T live the rest of your life thinking EVERYONE is out only for themselves.....its just not true.

docmirror

Joey, this isn't fair is it? I don't know the history, but in my eyes, I'll give anyone, young or old a chance to live up(or down) to expectations. Everyone I meet starts out with a full tank of gas, and they have to do something really crappy to get on my **** list. Hopefully, my kids will be a credit to society, like it sounds like you are.

I was in the service at 17, out at 21, and in college when most of my friends were still partying constantly. I think you and I have some things in common, just separated by maybe 30 years.

I went around with a chip on my shoulder for a while, but at around 20-ish when it was shown that the chip was getting in the way of developing good relationships with others(including older folks) I decide, 'ya know, maybe I should use my ears and mouth in relation to their quantity'. So I started listening twice as much as I talked, and boy, what an easy way to gain entry into previously shunned groups. It wasn't long after that I got a part time job driving roundy-round racing on weekends from an older guy that had the car, but not the reactions to drive! Score!

Anyway, give us a chance. Some are still immature, even me occasionally but we typically get it right eventually. I think part of it we envy the 18YOs out there the stamina, and future they have in front of them. Try to appreciate it my young friend.