Very nice. That interior is in great condition it looks like.

 

FOR NEW PICTURES SEE: http://s352.photobucket.com/albums/r...0Porsche928GT/

CURRENT DESCRIPTION: (as of 15:32 EST 7/15/08)

1990 Porsche 928 GT. 120,000 miles Black with Cashmere extended leather interior. 330 HP+ 5.0L 32 valve, quad cam V8, 5 speed manual transaxle with PSD electronic rear differential. One of just 250-300 GT's sold in the US from 1989-1991. Near complete mechanical and interior and exterior restoration. Modifications include: 19" Factory Carrera 4S wheels with Pirelli P-Zero Rosso tires. GTS brake calipers, rear muffler bypass, GTS Clutch, Alpine full iPod ready receiver (IDA-X100), Polk 10 speaker audio, Bilstien HD sport dampers, short shifter, GTS shift ****, clear front turn signals and side indicators and Euro fog light trim. New Aluminum front and rear undertrays.

Overall paint is a 9/10. Knocks on the paint are due to stone chipping in the front and a paint blemish on the roof and hood.

Interior 9/10: Interior is fully sorted, all complete and correct, front seats were recently refreshed. This car is equipped with an extended leather package that includes leather door panels, headliner and trim, armrests, sunvisors F&R rear, hatch area trim, rear AC and console and rear 3/4 panels. Vinyl rear cargo cover. The dash and pod are in excellent shape, no cracks. The upper and lower hatch release components have been replaced as well and as such there is a new key for the rear hatch. Tool kit is incomplete, the factory spare, jack, electronic air pump and tire wrench are all accounted for and included. Interior flaws are limited to a small tear in the drivers side bolster and the leather rear 3/4 panels which are warped.

Engine specifics:
Fully rebuilt GT engine including new piston rings, rod bearings, gaskets, seals, rebuilt heads, new timing chains, and chain tensioner pads. All seals, gaskets and belts are OE Porsche. Fully rebuilt belt tensioner, rollers, and new waterpump. Engine electronics replacement include: new main and secondary engine wiring harness's, Hall sensor, knock sensors, idle stabilizer valve, crank position sensor, throttle position sensor, Oxygen sensor, rebuilt and re-calibrated MAF sensor, starter, battery, spark plug wires, and cooling system fan. The fuel system has also been fully sorted with a new main fuel pump and smaller in-tank fuel pump, the 8 injectors were also rebuilt and balanced. Brand new throttle cables (x2), Bosch +4 platinum spark plugs, complete intake refresh including new flappy bearings and actuator, all new oil lines into and out of intake area, as well as vacuum lines. All new hoses for coolant and oil supply as well as a new oil cooler. Also the air ducting for the alternator is new, the coolant pressure switch, thermostat and temp II switches are also new. Motor mounts are 2 years old and the car has the silicon oil pan gasket secured by pan studs. Pan also has the GTS baffle. Engine is filled exclusively with Mobile 1 15 / 50 and coolant is 1 year old. All parts are genuine Porsche unless otherwise stated. Mechanically the car is flawless but for one oil cooler line which is "sweating" which should be tended to.

Clutch/ Transmission:
The car has a GTS clutch setup which is about 3 years old. The slave cylinder, and master cylinder are new and the blue feed hose has also been replaced. PSD system has recently been flushed and the transaxle is filled with Redline fluid.

The AC system has also been fully rebuilt and refreshed. Car has a Porsche replacement AC compressor, rebuilt AC clutch, heavy duty AC head unit relay, all new vacuum actuators including recirc, footwell and comb flap. Entire system works perfectly and has had allot of preventative maintenance work done to it already.

Suspension Steering and Brakes:
Suspension was fully rebuilt last year with brand new Bilstien HD shock absorbers at all 4 corners. 165mm front and 175mm rear ride height. Wheels are OE take off 997 Carrera 4S wheels with Pirelli P-Zero Rosso tires 235/35/19 in front and 285/30/19 in the rear.

Power steering system has a rebuilt pump, new reservoir/filter and fully flushed and restored lines. The steering rack has also been replaced at some time in the past. (rack was replaced prior to my purchase of the car) System is filled with Mobile 1 ATF.

Brakes: The car has all new pads, and rotors from about 2 years ago. Also the car has GTS front brake calipers.



Please feel free to contact me with any questions and for more details.

Ryan Perrella
310 922-7291
ryanperrella@gmail.com

 

Zzz....

Sorry, but you lost me at "secondary engine wiring harness".

If you want to keep the details in the listing, bullet-point the important restorations and updates in more general terms (replaced/refurbished timing belt, seals, A/C, interior, etc) up front in the ad, and maybe even include flaws in a similar list. The bookworms will dig for the specifics if they are interested.

You want to make this listing pop off the screen as the best 928 auction ever to hit eBay.

Take it as you wish...

Good luck!

 

I agree, it's a snoozer. I reflect what other's have recommended: offer a full maintenance history upon request.

Keep it simple, focus on the high points and highlights. Give the potential buyer a chance for their imagination to stew and build momentum. Don't turn 'em off before they've had a chance to get turned on.

Your car looks great. Let the pics work for you.

 

So you guys want the ad to say

1990 928 GT

120,000 miles

Black on Cashmere

$xx,xxx

^^^^^^^^That doesn't excite me^^^^^^^^^

Sorry, when i am interested in a car, i want to know what separate one car from another. I am not selling just a 928 GT. I am selling a fully sorted, mechanically perfect GT and thats what needs to be expressed in the ad. What is in the description is NO FLUFF. Its just specifics on what make this car different from others on the market. If thats not expressed then how can i try and get a premium for the tens of thousands ive put into restoring this car?



I think Ive gotten out of this what i need.

Thanks for the responses.

 

I agree with Gaz and Jim. Please read Ern's ad again. Bullets, Man! Keep paring it down. You can include all the things that have been done, but instead of long paragraphs that are hard to follow, use bulleted lists.

 

appreciated, but i respectfully disagree

I will change the layout and format (DONE, see above and imagine bullets). I will use bullets and state mods and condition claims in the beginning. I will show that more specifics are found later in the ad (at the bottom) where i will then list the items replaced and so on. I think your getting the size of it confused because its just allot of stuff. If you cant be bothered to read specifics about a car you want to buy then you dont really want to buy the car. Thats how i see it. Anyone who is genuinely interested in a car i think wants as much information as possible about it. Yes they can call and talk to me at length, but when someone see's all the stuff thats been tended to on this car I think that could turn a casual looker into a potential buyer as I dont think another car like this will come up often. If you are bored reading specifics, well then your not excited about the car and your just wasting my time and yours by reading it. Again, thats how i see this.

As for Ern's ad, he lists work done, as do I. My list just happens to be 3x-4x's as long. So what do i not list it for the sake of a potential ad reader that gets bored after 2 minutes reading? Seriously, how long does it take to read my description? 2-3 minutes top's. Actually I just timed it on a stopwatch to 3 minutes 5 seconds. I have some duplicate information in there that i will adjust so it will take less than 3 minutes to read. Mind you i have 250 plus pictures on photobucket which a person could spend hours looking through. So whats 3 minutes in words when it takes forever to load all the pics that I have of the car.

Again i appreciate those that have made Ebay suggestions based on experience and ive cut the ad quite a bit since its first version and i will continue to edit and change its format, but to be so general i think is selling my car short.

 

I get the Bullets over paragraphs

so instead of this:
Fully rebuilt GT engine including new piston rings, rod bearings, gaskets, seals, rebuilt heads, new timing chains, and chain tensioner pads. All seals, gaskets and belts are OE Porsche. Fully rebuilt belt tensioner, rollers, and new waterpump. Engine electronics replacement include: new main and secondary engine wiring harness's, Hall sensor, knock sensors, idle stabilizer valve, crank position sensor, throttle position sensor, Oxygen sensor, rebuilt and re-calibrated MAF sensor, starter, battery, spark plug wires, and cooling system fan. The fuel system has also been fully sorted with a new main fuel pump and smaller in-tank fuel pump, the 8 injectors were also rebuilt and balanced. Brand new throttle cables (x2), Bosch +4 platinum spark plugs, complete intake refresh including new flappy bearings and actuator, all new oil lines into and out of intake area, as well as vacuum lines. All new hoses for coolant and oil supply as well as a new oil cooler. Also the air ducting for the alternator is new, the coolant pressure switch, thermostat and temp II switches are also new. Motor mounts are 2 years old and the car has the silicon oil pan gasket secured by pan studs. Pan also has the GTS baffle. Engine is filled exclusively with Mobile 1 15 / 50 and coolant is 1 year old. All parts are genuine Porsche unless otherwise stated. Mechanically the car is flawless but for one oil cooler line which is "sweating" which should be tended to.

You will have this?

Fully rebuilt GT engine including
new piston rings,
rod bearings,
gaskets & seals (OE Porsche)
rebuilt heads,
new timing chains, and chain tensioner pads
Fully rebuilt belt tensioner and rollers,
new waterpump.
new main and secondary engine wiring harness's,
Hall sensor,
knock sensors,
idle stabilizer valve,
crank position sensor,
throttle position sensor,
Oxygen sensor,
rebuilt and re-calibrated MAF sensor,
starter,
battery,
spark plug wires,
cooling system fan.
new main fuel pump and smaller in-tank fuel pump,
injectors were also rebuilt and balanced.
Brand new throttle cables (x2),
complete intake refresh including new flappy bearings and actuator,
all new oil lines into and out of intake area, new vacuum lines
All new hoses for coolant and oil supply as well,
new oil cooler.
Also the air ducting for the alternator is new,
the coolant pressure switch, thermostat and temp II switches are also new.
Motor mounts are 2 years old
car has the silicon oil pan gasket secured by pan studs.
Pan also has the GTS baffle.
Engine is filled exclusively with Mobile 1 15 / 50 and coolant is 1 year old.
All parts are genuine Porsche unless otherwise stated.

Mechanically the car is flawless but for one oil cooler line which is "sweating" which should be tended to.


I do agree the bullet type list is much easier to read then the paragraph format. I thought the paragraph format would be best considering how long the list is, but i do find that i tend to skip over it and try to get to the end.

 

Telling a newbie buyer all the things you have fixed may simply scare the hell out of him....The reputation (right or wrong ) is that having a 928 is expensive. The potential buyer is NOT opperating on a rational , logical level at all the decision to buy a 928 is EMOTIONAL ! As was mentioned you are selling the sizzle not the steak. The laundry list is boring and largely meaningless to all but the most frequent vistors to this forum ...

 

So all this happens before you've had a chance to talk to the interested person. I believe the talking is the most important part. It is what establishes a face behind the car. Creates a level of comfort for the buyer.
Your passion for the car is obvious and your really need to give the buyer a chance experience this.
On the other hand, maybe your difficult to talk with. Buyer reads a$$hole and decides to not develop the relationship.
All I know is how your ad reads gives me reasons to call or not to call.

 

On a four year old used car I would agree. On a 20 year old performance car that is nearly always purchased for emotional (i.e. other than practical)reasons, I think a buyer is often looking to be talked into it.

A 928 buyer is not able to do the normal price vs. age. vs. miles vs. condition formula to arrive at the best deal on line at the moment.

A potential buyer looking at Ryans car will go over and over the photo's and info. allowing himself to fall in love with the idea of owning a very special car at a very special price.

That doesn't mean it is not important to keep the ad Popping with brief, interesting, and salient highlights.

But the guy looking to be sold, needs to be able to crawl into the description and rub it all over his obssessive sick brain.

There are only one or two real buyers out there at a time, for a car like this. Who knows what type of ad might appeal to them.

 

I sent the info to my friend who is interested and will give you some feedback on how it read to him.

 

At the swap meet was a great looking 930 for $15,500 OBO nice black paint.. 993 wheels .Son in law gets real interested ! Start talking to the owner and learn it was BUILT on a 74 chassis but all factory parts ,O K ; more chatter and learn it has a stock original 2.7 motor but was "refreshed" sealed not great but body sure looks good....chit chat , How is the A/C ? Ah , does not have AIR.....price gets down to $10,000 and then the BOMB ...it has a SALVAGE TITLE. Then heard the odometer was broken. Car had a "small" engine fire which is why the intake was off and resealed . So the new offer is $8,000 seller came down to $9,000 ....We left without the car In hindsight it was probably worth more but just too many negatives kept popping up. While we were negotiating the owner left for a few minutes to call his wife ...she was stuck on $10,000. A guy walked up to me since I was near the car and asked if it was mine ? I said no ! but it is a 74 salvage title with an original 2.7 .......He could not get away fast enough Later another guy offered the owner $8,500 but had not yet been told ...salvage title !! The point of the story is you need to get the hook in and get the guy seeing himself in his head driving the car and after that offer the information which is important to THEM. Nearly every bit of information can be looked at from two sides and what you consider a positive can be a HUGE negative to some. Like many people will be put off by the work done by an OWNER right or wrong that is a FACT. Now after you start talking with someone and share your knowledge and understanding of the 928 it may come off as you lovingly and carefully renewed it to like new condition and not simply that you tinkered with it as a hobby for fun or could not afford to pay for a professional . ...As I mentioned nearly everything can be perceived as a positive or a negative. The more information the more REALITY in the add the greater the likelyhood you will say something which is possibly a put off....the goal of running the "sale" is to get them to CALL YOU sooner or later you MUST talk to them. The auction is not going to sell the car, you are ! The goal is create enough interest sizzle to get someone to call. Also be prepared to renegotiate the deal after the auction closes more and more E-bay buyers are demanding discounts ...People tend to buy things from people that they like , nothing in your add can create that feeling. You need to carefully rehearse your answers and explainations to the obvious questions like; How long have you owned it ?, Why are you selling it ? ,Do you have books and records ?, Who did the work ?

 

Your last statement Charlie is how i too look at the whole thing. I dont like surprises. And if someone wants to think that new 1 year old electronic parts are inferior to 20 year old originals then so be it. I wont lie and say they are original. I dont know how you can think 20 year old parts are better then new ones. Yes i get that some knucklehead could install them incorrectly, but if there is one thing i am confident in, its my ability to do the job correctly. I know for a fact i spend more time making sure things are right and correct then the standard "tech" at "Manfred's German Car repair" shop.

As you say anything can be taken anyway a person wants it to be. I would rather just be upfront with this information, if thats not cool with some parties, then thats fine with me. I would rather disqualify them from the car and the car from them upfront before it comes back as something requiring a "discount." I am listing the car accurately and to the absolute best of my ability. I stand by that and if someone doesnt like the car for some stated reason, thats fine. I would rather know that before then after a buyers and my time is wasted.

Yeah please let me know what you think.

Its funny how this has become a "how to sell your car" thread. And all this info coming from notoriously low ball buyers. LOL

So to some suggestions i take them with a grain of salt. Again, i would ideally sell to someone outside Rennlist thats sees more in my car then do most you guys here, good or bad.

The car goes on Ebay tomorrow.

Cheers

 

FWIW, I thought the very descriptive ad (with photo-bucket link) was really good.