Well it sounds like your splitting hairs here Paul. I wouldn't call a car with your interior a full leather interior. I would call it a custom leather interior FWIW. If you can find a 1990 928 with a leather dash and pod and center console then i will call it something other then full leather. To be frank though, in my description i state full leather, then go so far as to compare it to the standard leather interior and detail exactly what is different from the standard US leather interior. My S4 door panels and overall interior frankly looks cheap compared to the GT's. And trust me ive noticed, the S4 is completely apart and in the process of being cleaned of all the PO's junk i have noticed many things that are different from one car to the next.

So to simply state "leather interior" wouldn't be doing me any favors as all 928's for the US market have leather seats and are considered leather cars.

 

Great points David,

Thanks for the "real world" ebay feedback too in regards to Buy-it-now and description length.

I plan on taking a bunch of new pics in a different setting and wont be using any of the above pictures.

Also good to hear about phone conversations as well as anyone who is serious enough to call is serious enough to buy. I dont pay much attention to e-mail inquiries anymore. I know if i want something, i call, i think thats a universal truth in the auto sales game.

And FWIW i think there is an entire market ourside of Rennlist. I dont plan on getting any interest in my car from this. I would never suggest to anyone to try and sell a car here on Rennlist. How many people passed on the S4 before i bought it? Whenever someone here is trying to sell a car and they dont i suggest simply that they try Ebay. There are allot more fish in that sea then there are here.

 

Ryan,

Every time I put a car on ebay I give my cell number and usually get many calls. I know its a pain and takes time, but to get the max $$ for your GT the buyer is going to have to be comfortable and confident.

I recently put my 2003 S55 up on Ebay. The value of this car has dropped sharply in the past 6 months BUT my car is a low milage car and I have over $10,000 in maintance work done in the past year. So. . . on this car I am in a similar postion as you, trying to minimize my loss. Point of my story is that the auction was over 2 weeks ago, but I am still in conversation over the phone with an interested buyer. He is now to the point willing to pay a premium because of the in depth phone conversations and facts I have given him. Whether or not he ends up buying my car, he now wants a S55 more that ever!

 

David brings up some great points which I also experienced when I sold my S4. But I will say that email inquiries can lead to phone inquires depending on how the initial email comes across so don't rule them out.

Remember, if someone is making an effort to contact you they are definitely interested in what you are selling, what you need to do is rule out those that can't afford it or want it cheap so they can resell. Also remember that being polite, regardless if the buyer can afford it or not will get you farther, you never know if they have a friend or relative looking for what your selling. Years of selling has taught me this.

I will never say that the price is too high, personally I want to see these cars sell for more and I'm encouraged to see Ernest's car has sold for the price that it did. I hope you get what you're asking but as you mentioned, be prepared to negotiate a little.

 

I recommend a simple listing on ebay or cars.com/autotrader.com with a basic description of the car and the reason for selling with only one or two pictures, then link to your own web site with lots more pictures and a history of the car and your ownership. Here is the page I used to sell my 90 GT several years ago...
http://www.zipbang.com/928/

 

I do like this idea. I had thought about doing a page for the car and having a ton of detailed information on it on another site.

What does it cost for hosting and such?

 

Ryan, if you need some help with the HTML I will gladly do it for you, it shouldn't take too long, having the right application is the key.

As for the price, I would say that you are High at 26, OK at 23 and Low at 20 but what do I know with my $5500 88 S4 Auto

I am hoping that you get what you can for your girl as she is a real looker!!

Michael

 

Ryan,

your car, your ad, your call
But I guess there are at least a couple of cars that the guys from Motorsport in Colorado would have to describe as "full, full, full and full leather"

Paul

 

yes paul i had a feeling you were talking about that 1 Oak green car?

sorry but thats one car in a one off color combo. I doubt they had the ABS plastic for the dash in that green color anyway so leather was the only option. (im speculating)

Seriously i cant think of any other cars that had a leather dash and pod. To be busting my ***** over this is silly. I would say the oak green car with that light green interior is more then just full leather. I think the plastic switches for the turn signals were leather covered too. I'm sorry but that was likely never on your regular Porsche build order form.

I think the ad has the description listed accurately. It states EXACTLY what is and what isnt leather. I dont think it needs further discussion at this point.

If someone wants to start a poll of late model US spec cars that had a leather dash and pod please do so. I will be surprised if you get more then 2-3 in the yes column.

 

My car has a full factory leather interior from 1988. thats a dash, dash undertrays, the pod( IE the whole pod,) headliner, sunroof filler, A pillars, door panels top of the door surrounds, and arm rests, shifter boot(auto),and shift ****, ignition key surround, rear quarters, hatch sunvisors and front sunvisors, and all the seats and console and rear air console, also the carpets have leather edge covers (not usually seen), as well as the piping on the seats, center armrest.

Goodluck with your sale you might try getting into a service called Activa its free and you will only have to buy or post one picture on Ebay to have as many HI resolution pictures posted to your sale as you want. I dont know too much about it but it was a big help when i was selling my Rover. Definitly made the speculators more intererested as the pictures were awesome

 

activa?

activa.com? you say its a service, is this through Ebay or what? any other details on this?

ok i found "auctiva" i think thats what your talking about. I am looking into it now.

Ok i signed up for Auctiva but i cant sellect anything in the Ebay Motors category. I am thinking this is mostly for large stores to streamline Ebay's listing procedures.

Am i correct here? had you used this to list a car for sale?

 

Ryan,

LOVE the red "heads" on your engine! Very cool addition.

I do however agree w/ Paul on the interior. There were (though you didn't see many of them here due to the bad experience in this country in earlier years) of full leather interiors...dash, pods, headliners, etc. Regardless of if there are other '90 models with it or not, there are other models that DID sport FULL leather interiors and to call yours the same is misleading.

Of course I am used to reading all sorts of other misleading ads for 928's anyway, so feel to join them if you like. You should know better though...

My '81 and '84 both have FULL LEATHER interiors... the Last US 928, that crazy GTS that was new listed at $180k had FULL, FULL, FULL leather interior where the even put leather on the air vents and other places where you would not even think you could put leather...not to mention they included several more hides dyed to match along with a few extra gallons of paint in case you needed a touch up I guess!

Good luck w/ the sale, it is a BEAUTIFUL car regardless of how it is described in the listing!

Best to you!

 

Ryan,

It's a beautiful car and we wish you well with the sale!

A couple of suggestions:

It's good to mention the negatives but why not just get rid of them where possible? Replace the oil-cooler hose and fit the new tranny breather, move them into the "done" column. Whenever I see "All it needs is a new XXX which is included with the sale" my (admitedly cynical) reaction is "Yeah, sure...".

Also I would skip the comments about the clutch, you are selling against yourself there. We love our "new" DD clutch but if you are not going to fit it then I would not mention it at all- just sell the kit separately or install it in your S4.

And I agree with David's advice, keep it simple and straightforward, include the important items, do the nits via telephone or a separate website as RKD suggested. Be honest about the negatives (that you can't fix), don't repeat anything, let the pictures speak for what they can. My gut feeling is that it is about twice too long for an eBay ad.

Good luck!

Cheers, Jim

 

Good points. I agree with the omissions and will modify it as such. I also agree the ad needs to be much smaller. I think the idea of the details is best handled over a simple phone conversation or sister webpage.

yes again i am aware of those other one off cars with leather switch gear and such. Yes the LAST green and eggplant car also comes to mind. That care had 90K in options on it though.

WTF is wrong with saying "full leather" as a descriptive term if its then followed with a detailed listing of what my definition of full leather entails? How would that be misleading?

again would love to see what other cars with leather headliners, f/r sun visors, sunroof trim, a pillars, upper doors, upper door frame trim, door grab handle, pull out door pocket armrest, rear quarters, rear center console, rear seat sides, all rear hatch trim pieces, and front center console. Sorry thats not on standard interiors. So WTF would you guys suggest i call it so that you are not mislead and that i can be easily described thats its of higher spec then the standard interior which 8-9 of 10 928's have. Most 928's have all the above parts in either a cast plastic or in a vinyl trim that looks like alligator skin.

How would you suggest i describe it?

Gotcha Sterling

 

I think you getting wrapped up in words which are inherently ambiguous. Just call it a "leather interior" and take some good hi-res pictures and let them do the talking. The cognisenti will ask, the noobs won't appreciate it any any event.

Cheers, Jim