RyanPerrella

Ok so here it is, the for sale thread on Rennlist. Let me just first say that I dont plan on selling the car on here. I know we all just rip on cars here so let me say that i will use this thread as a template or testbed for my upcoming Ebay ad which i plan on listing within the next 4-5 days.

So if you have any comments, or ideas on how to properly edit my very lengthy description, please make your suggestions. If i end up getting exposure here that i hadn't planned on, then great. Anyway here goes..........

FOR NEW PICTURES SEE: http://s352.photobucket.com/albums/r...0Porsche928GT/ Ive got 7 galleries here and something like 300 pics now

CURRENT DESCRIPTION: (as of 12:00 EST 7/15/08)

NOW ON EBAY: Item #300243205087

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...MESE:IT&ih=020

1990 Porsche 928 GT. 120,000 miles Black with Cashmere extended leather interior. 330 HP+ 5.0L 32 valve, quad cam V8, 5 speed manual transaxle with PSD electronic rear differential. One of just 250-300 GT's sold in the US from 1989-1991. Near complete mechanical and interior and exterior restoration. Modifications include: 19" Factory Carrera 4S wheels with Pirelli P-Zero Rosso tires in like new condition. GTS brake calipers, rear muffler bypass, GTS Clutch, Alpine full iPod ready receiver (IDA-X100), Polk 10 speaker audio, Bilstien HD sport dampers, short shifter, GTS shift ****, clear front turn signals and side indicators and Euro fog light trim. New Aluminum front and rear undertrays.

Fully rebuilt GT engine including new piston rings, rod bearings, gaskets, seals, rebuilt heads with fully polished, hand lapped valves, new timing chains, and chain tensioner pads. All seals, gaskets and belts are OE Porsche. Fully rebuilt belt tensioner, rollers, and new waterpump. Engine electronics replacement includes the following: new main and secondary engine wiring harness's, new Hall sensor, new knock sensors, new idle stabilizer valve, new crank position sensor, new throttle position sensor, new Oxygen sensor, rebuilt and re-calibrated MAF sensor, new starter, battery and new spark plug wires, and cooling system fan. The fuel system has also been fully sorted with a new main fuel pump and smaller in-tank fuel pump, the 8 injectors were also rebuilt and balanced. Brand new throttle cables (x2) Bosch +4 platinum spark plugs, complete intake refresh including new flappy bearings and actuator, all new oil lines into and out of intake area, as well as vacuum lines. All new hoses for coolant and oil supply as well as a new oil cooler. Also he air ducting for the alternator is all new, the coolant pressure switch, thermostat and temp II switches are also new. Motor mounts are also new as of 2 years ago and the car has the silicon oil pan gasket secured by pan studs and nylock nuts. Pan also has the GTS pan baffle system installed. Engine is filled exclusively with Mobile 1 15 / 50. Coolant is 1 year old, and mixed 40/60 coolant to distilled water. All parts are genuine Porsche unless otherwise stated. Mechanically the car is flawless but for one oil cooler line which is "sweating" which should be tended to.

Clutch/ Transmission: The car has a GTS clutch setup which is about 3 years old. The slave cylinder, and master cylinder are new and the blue feed hose has also been replaced. PSD system has recently been flushed and the transaxle is filled with Redline fluid.

The AC system has also been fully rebuilt and refreshed. Car has a Porsche replacement AC compressor, rebuilt AC clutch, heavy duty AC head unit relay, all new vacuum actuators including recirc, footwell and comb flap. Entire system works perfectly and has had allot of preventative maintenance work done to it already.

Suspension Steering and Brakes:
Suspension was fully rebuilt last year with brand new Bilstien HD shock absorbers at all 4 corners. 165mm front and 175mm rear ride height. Wheels are OE take off 997 Carrera 4S wheels with ideal offsets for the rear which require no spacer for excellent fit. Tires Pirelli P-Zero Rosso in 235/35/19 front and 285/30/19 rear.

Power steering system has a rebuilt pump, new reservoir/filter and fully flushed and restored lines. The steering rack has also been replaced at some time in the past. (rack was replaced prior to my purchase of the car) System is filled with Mobile 1 ATF.

Brakes: The car has all new pads, and rotors from about 2 years ago. Also the car has GTS front brake calipers.

Overall paint is a 9/10. Knocks on the paint are due to stone chipping in the front and a paint blemish on the roof and hood.

Interior 9/10: Interior is fully sorted, all complete and correct, front seats were recently refreshed. The drivers seat does have a small tear in the bolster. This car is equipped with an extended leather package that includes leather door panels, headliner and trim, armrests, sunvisors F&R rear, hatch area trim, rear AC and console and rear 3/4 panels. Vinyl rear cargo cover. The dash and pod are in excellent shape, no cracks. The upper and lower hatch release components have been replaced as well and as such there is a new key for the rear hatch. Tool kit is not complete, the factory spare, jack, electronic air pump and tire wrench are all accounted for and included. Interior flaws are a small tear in the drivers side bolster and the leather rear 3/4 panels which are warped.

Please feel free to contact me with any questions.

Ryan Perrella
310 922-7291
ryanperrella@gmail.com

$26,000

Q: What am i leaving out? What have i said thats maybe TOO MUCH INFORMATION?

I also plan on taking some detail pics, like pics of the very clean under side of the car, and the wheel wells, the inside rim of the wheels which is also gorgeous and some other detail areas. What else should i take pics of?

Please keep the comments to productive ones that can help me either clean up or streamline my description.


As this is a template i reserve the right to change and edit the ad as i see fit.

Marine Blue

Great pictures. I would add a pic of the seat bolster and the spot on the rear bumper that you mention.

Good job with segmenting each part of the car, that will help the buyer focus on each area seperately.

You may want to put in bullets what has been done to the car mechanically, it's much easier and faster for someone who may not have the patience to read everything. (You don't want to rule out the impulse buyers!)

RyanPerrella

I completely agree with the bullet points thing. I dont know how to do that in Ebay. Isnt that HTML? thats a language i dont understand, i have enough difficulty with english!

bigmac

Might help to tell where the car is and why you are selling.

Cheers, Mac

Marine Blue

Biggest bit of advice is to do the entire add in word and then cut and paste it into the Ebay add. If you choose the right add (which you'll have to if you want to include all those pics) it will cut and paste without a problem and convert everything.

RyanPerrella

Car is in Austin TX and its for sale because i never drive it quite simply (6,000 miles in 2 plus years) Its also just simply time for me to move onto something else.

word huh

I am a Mac guy and use iwork. Maybe i can use that.

I didnt know you could import a word document into Ebay and have it convert it for you. Good to know.

Champagne

Hey Ryan,

that is a great example, no doubt. But I would not list it as "full leather interior", because it is not. That mention should be reserved for those rare examples that have dash, pod and armrests also in leather.

Also, the interior is not a 10. That should be reserved for perfection and the simple mention that one of the seats as a tear, makes it something other than a 10. I think 9/10 is pretty exceptional in any book

Good luck with it

Paul

RyanPerrella

i am open to offers, price is not an issue at this point Sterling. When it goes to Ebay i will let the auction run its course and go from there. And what are we talking about here? $23 instead of 26? that really doesnt matter to me at this point. Should not be the topic of this thread. I am interested in feedback about the description and what should and should not be in the ad, and what pics should and should not be posted. Yes the car is worth what someone pays me for it.

As for the work done being a negative point. I have to disagree with you on that one. All the items ive replaced are potential failure items. If they hadn't been replaced when they were, you can bet they would be in the future. The only items i can see as being suspect for replacement are things like ISV (which there isnt a high incidence of failure) and maybe a couple other things. (Wiring harness maybe, that was replaced because the Devek Engine had it and i took the best bits from that engine and kept them for my car.) That being said what's wrong exactly with allot of new parts? You will have to do a better job convincing me on that one. HAL sensors, knock sensors, TPS sensors, MAF sensors ALL REQUIRE MAINTANENCE. They have ALL been tended to within the last 2 years ive owned the car.

Sterling, who rebuilt your engine? I do think its funny that you would bring this point up. You too should know these engines very well, are you not confident in the work youve done to yours? Ive actually put the engine together twice. I had it torn down in LA and had to put it back together to move it to Texas. I reinstalled the heads (on old gaskets) and cams (loosley) and all parts to get it into one single "lump" for shipping when i moved. It was then torn down again and finally rebuilt with all the new gaskets and parts. So ive done the job a few times. And contrary what other people insist on saying, i dont find this engine to be THAT EXOTIC that its impossible to work on, and that ONLY Greg Brown can work on them. Most shops have a kid working on cars. I know that cause i was a kid working in a shop before. The owner has the experience, but no shop owner does 100% of their work. I spent about 18 months from the time i bought the car to the time that the original GT engine was finally rebuilt and back in the car. I didn't exactly rush this job. I also wasnt using untried or experemental parts for this either. And the simple fact is that rod bearings are also seen as a regular replacement, i just also pulled and reinstalled new rings. The crank hasn't been out of the car based on the experience of mainly Jim B who had mentioned that 928 main bearings are as near bulletproof as you can get. I just find it odd that you of all people would suggest that this job cannot be done by one very **** owner like myself, or like you as ive heard you too are very particular about your car.

Cheers

RyanPerrella

Fair enough Paul, the interior will be listed as 9/10. Your right the simple fact that the rear quarters are warped is reason enough to say that no it is not perfect.

As for full leather, then what would you call this? There is no option code on my car for this actually. But 9/10 other 928's that ive seen have vinyl headliner, door's, rear consoles and quarter panels. I cant think of any late model US market 928's that have the leather dash and pod. (I know there is the ODD GTS floating about with a leather pod) Last i read Porsche got tired of replacing leather dashes in US cars in the mid 80's and no longer offered it because more often then not they were warping and owners were requesting replacements.

So would you call this "extended leather" I don't know what porsche calls it because again there is no option code on my build sticker for it. But i can tell you its allot nicer then the 90 S4 that i have.

leperboy

If the PSD is going to be operational by the time of sale, don't even mention it. Otherwise, people will focus on it not working now.

I would do a bullet point list of all the good and great things, then a much shorter list of the minor issues.

Matt

ErnestSw

Just sold mine for $23000.00 in a private deal. That's exactly what I paid for it five and a half years ago. Feel free to compare.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...257892344&rd=1

bronto

Ryan;

Prepare your ad in an html program. You might want to try Komposer, there's a Mac version and it's free. For your purposes it should work fine, and the tools you use will work very much like iWork.

http://www.kompozer.net/

When you are done it should be just a copy/paste.

RyanPerrella

Matt,

Yes good point about the PSD. It will be omitted, i am all about full disclosure and am hiding nothing. I know some people can shoot themselves in the foot by being TOO forward with information.

Good to hear, and yes your car was used as a comp for mine.


Thanks Bronto, I will check that out.

Oh and I edited your quote, you forgot to mention Pascha in your post. So i fixed that for ya!
__________________

Champagne

Hey Ryan,

I'm not sure how you would describe it. "Partial leather" doesn't sound very good. I would just say "leather interior"

Actual "full leather" do exist from Porsche and custom from crazy people like myself and Rob. And even then, some could argue that the interior is not "full leather" unless every single item inside the car is covered in leather.
It can be done

Paul

David L. Lutz

Ryan,

Very nice car and we all here know the amount of time, work, and money you have invested. Good luck with your sale.

I have sold several cars on ebay and have a good close friend that probably sells 6 or 7 sports cars yearly using ebay. Our experience has been the following:

• Keep your add short and to the point hitting only the highlights
• Don't make the add look to professional as the buyer will think you are a dealer
• Pictures, Pictures, and more Pictures in hi-res with attractive background and good colors
• Remember, most deals are made over the phone, we try to produce an add that will prompt a call. Once you are talking person to person a relationship can develop with an interested party.
• Don't use "Buy it now" your price will scare many off. Use a reserve auction, then buyers will call you asking your reserve or price and you can then talk about your car.

I understand your responce to some of Sterling's comments, but if you can't sell the car here on the board or to someone that knows our cars you may have to consider at least some of these points. Remember the market is tougher than ever and for this car even tougher. I think you can overcome some of these issues and "sell" your investment with convincing truth in a one on one phone conversation.

Just my 2 cents. Again good luck.