RyanPerrella

i thought about colors for the lettering on the valve covers. I would go silver or white on the red valve covers and red or black or both on the intake. Then i thought, why not leave it for the new owner, then they have SOMETHING to do. Cause its always fun to do something to your new toy right.

And Sean, yeah i get that i shouldn't get testy, but i dont take to kindly to being told that i am misrepresenting what i am selling. Thats bull****! Simple as that. And its still open for discussion what the definition of full leather is for 1990. I am awaiting further comments from those that know this kind of stuff. I dont think full leather in 1980 and full leather in 1995 are the same thing. So I'm anxious to hear from those with later build cars have to say. Crap, here i am still talking about this.............

RyanPerrella

The engine was refreshed due to a seized WP and subsequent timing belt break. 8 valves were bent 2 intake and 6 exhaust and the engine was completed over 18 months while i was driving the car with another GT engine that i had bought from Devek a month after purchasing the car in April 2006. The new refreshed engine was installed in August 2007. I was then out of the country for the next 4 months and since then have been busy trying to relocate and dealing with other issues and not driving the car but a handful of times.

So NO, the engine rebuild has nothing to do with track use but neglect by the previous owner. I also have to think that your tally of GT engine failure with track machines would have more to do with transmission choice (GT's are manual only) then with any differences in the GT engine. Specifically i think most people with track cars would buy only a manual equipped car over an automatic which in my opinion would make a terrible track car. So i think your numbers which may show higher rate of GT engine failure are the result of more cars being GT's over comperable S4's which have autos. Regardless i guess the point your making is that GT engines are somehow suspect and potential time bombs and i hope thats not what your getting at, otherwise i would like to look at your sampling and your data.

The only issues with these cars are potential thrust bearing wear on S4's and oil consumption and rod issues on Early GTS engines. I dont think there is any regular flaw whatsoever thats exclusive to GT engine's.

Charley B

Just a few thoughts Ryan:

Don't mention the TONS of dirt removed from the carpeting. (I immediately thought about a flood car)

Replace the missing items in the tool kit and feature it. A negative becomes a positive.

High light the custom powder coating on the engine.

How about calling it an upgraded leather interior and anyone curious can ask you what that means.

You and I both know that there is no specific definition for the term "full leather" interior so enough with the **** fight already.

Charley B

P.S.

Thrust bearing failure is not an S4 issue. It is an issue for '87 or newer 928's with auto transmission.


There is no known "rod issue" with early '93 GTS's. Quit spreading that stupid rumor.

P.P.S.

Good luck with the sale.

Leon Speed

Car looks great. Just one thing that catches my eye in the first interior pic: is the dimmer missing on the pod? (and the seat memory switch, but no-one will notice that ).

Good luck with the sale.

RyanPerrella

Yes your right actually 87 -89 manual S4 cars arent effected. Just auto's potentially.

OK Charlie Sorry bout the rods! Uhm.....i will be quiet

Oh and the tons of dirt has nothing to do with flood car it has to do with the carpeting. In another thread someone had asked and assumed the carpeting is new, but its not, its the original carpeting that i spent a ton of time cleaning. Its interesting how i can say i spent time cleaning carpeting and removing dirt from the interior and you get "FLOOD CAR" out of that. Damn. Thanks for the heads up on that. Thats the last thing i want someone to think about when they see the carpeting.


Yeah the interior is missing the tweeter gril covers, and a couple items are not reinstalled, memory switch, dimmer, etc. They are in the car, just not in those pictures.

Marine Blue

I agree on not talking about additional cleaning of the car. Maybe condense it to: The interior and exterior of this car are prestine as can be seen by the pictures. My S4 went through extensive cleaning (concours like prep) but I never brought it up. I let the pictures do the talking which judging by your pictures, they will do just that to your benefit.

Agree that photbucket and or another link to larger pictures is a huge benefit. I did this four days into my add and noted an immediate increase in interest and emails/phone calls. Try to show the various parts of the car actually working (headlights/foglights etc) so everyone can see that the car is complete and ready to go. Also include close up pictures of the good and bad, it will put the buyer at ease that they know exactly what they're getting.

Don't be surprised if the transaction is completed after the ebay add has run its course, when spending this much money a buyer may want to see the car in person or have a PPI.

Also mention PPI's are welcome at the buyers expense, this insures you're not hiding anything.

the flyin' scotsman

If it only had aero mirrors...........full leather ones of course

Take a S4 on trade?

RyanPerrella

For $400 its an easy enough mod

RyanPerrella

I think I will condense the description. For instance instead of saying the carpets are clean, just have the interior pics which will tell anyone that fact.

I like the idea of photobucket. I think thats easy enough to do. So i will take a ton of high res pics of all aspects of the car, including undertray, engine, exhaust, suspension, wheel wells, wheels and brakes so on and so forth. That will give a good indication of the condition of the car in clear pictures without having to babel on about it in words. I will let the pictures speak for themselves.

So my question now is, how many pictures do i put on the Ebay ad?

Do i just post 10 or so then have a clear link to a photo bucket page which then would have galleries of hundreds of pictures in it?

I do plan on stating that PPI's are welcome at speculators expense and will list a contact number to discuss details about the car.

Q: if i have a couple parties that want PPI's how do i handle my time? I imagine most shops would be in Austin and thats a 20-30 minute drive to and from and I imagine a PPI would take a few hours to complete. Thats fine if I have one person request a PPI. What happens if i have multiple parties request PPI's and i end up taking the car in 2-3 times for the same inspection at different places? How do you deal with that should it occur?

I am going to sign up for a photo bucket account now and will update the ad when pics are posted.

mcholdfast

See below. It wasn't a US car originally but everything that would typically be covered in leather or vinyl is covered in leather. There is no vinyl in the car.
I am not aware of an option code for full leather. There are many five digit option codes on the build label that I haven't been able to get definitions for. I assume at least some of them relate to the interior.
Sorry if I'm beating a dead topic but I just read through the previous posts. Good luck with your sale. I'd love to have it.

RyanPerrella

Got it Mike but your example doesnt help prove anything because its not a US market car.

But again, I am curious what "Full leather" means for US spec cars for 1990 and later model years. Your car does not answer my question. Ive seen many ROW cars that have all kinds of different things. I see allot of cars with leather dash's and pods etc. But not for the US market. I also have seen allot of ROW cars with drivers air bags and the older style non airbag dash. Odd, some ROW cars seem to have been built with "whatever was left over" so to speak in that one car can look totally different from any other that was built in the same build year.

Marine Blue

I did the 10 pictures and a link which worked out really nicely. Use exterior pictures in various setting to attract buyers and use the photobucket link for the detailed pictures.

PPI's are a tough one to answer but my guess is that after talking with a potential buyer about pricing etc you will narrow down the field to one or two serious buyers. Some buyers may forego a PPI if enough records are available to review.

Mike, that lipstick interior is beautiful!

Sean where did you get that picture with the X's on it? Is that part of a dealer options brochure? My car has nearly everything selected from that chart which is really cool but also very difficult to keep perfect if used. I am constantly using leatherique in the weirdest places to keep everything new. Sorry for the OT.

Bill Ball

It's a Hall sender or sensor, not HAL.

Maybe this has been beaten on enough, but to me, w/o leather dash, console and pod, it's not near full leather. I know there are a variety of sundry items that get leather covered in a few cars, such as the *****, and we can argue about, but the primary items to me would include at least the three I mention as well as the various interior panels.

I really like Ern's ad. I know you are very proud of all the effort you put into this car, and your text makes a lot of references to the effort. Ern's is a simpler list w/o embellishments. I know you'd like people to appreciate the blood, sweat and tears, but it's more of a distraction to try to do that directly. It ends up working far better if you do a simple list. With the number of items you have that have been replaced/rebuilt/refurbished, that should be an impressive list.

RyanPerrella

Allright Bill Hall it is

I agree that the best idea for the ad will be a simple list without any opinion in it. Just simple text book type listing, stating what needs to be stated and again without further adjective to describe whats been done.

I am looking at Willhoits ads for his cars and see only 5-6 bullet points pointing to options the car was speced with and then a very general "100 point inspection passed" but i never see what that 100 points entails. Point is the pictures do the talking. I will let my photos do the talking on this one.

Now off to take them

and so far ive loaded up 200 pics on photo bucket, now i need to learn to sort them into different albums.