George and Rich still alive....189mph 928-S4? Flatline...
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Remember the corner just before the straight?
How much oil was drained out of the case?
also is that piston dinged on top?
You are lucky you are alive.....a punched hole in the case, oiled down rear tires, not a pretty picture.
Marc
How much oil was drained out of the case?
also is that piston dinged on top?
You are lucky you are alive.....a punched hole in the case, oiled down rear tires, not a pretty picture.
Marc
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The block and oil pan did fracture but held it all in amazingly well.
Both pistons have deep marks on them from the flat surfaces on the head outside the quench area, visible in the photos.
Both pistons have deep marks on them from the flat surfaces on the head outside the quench area, visible in the photos.
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Originally Posted by marc@DEVEK
You are lucky you are alive.....a punched hole in the case, oiled down rear tires, not a pretty picture.
Marc
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George, you are probably the luckiest unlucky guy I know. You too, Rich.
Is there something to be made out of the second piston looking almost scrubbed clean?
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Is there some way to prevent such an accident by redirecting the path of oil lost in such a situation? Can a containment method be devised to allow the car to stop before such a slide occurs? When I put a rod trough my 914/6 case on the freeway in Albuquerque, all I could see out the back window was parts and oil all over the road as I was moving away from them, but I was on a straight section of roadway. I was able to stop.
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Wow George, that is some amazing destruction. Glad you, Rich, and the rest of the car survived.
Jim, he asked for a containment method.... dry sump the 928!
Originally Posted by Jim bailey - 928 International
Nope the wet sump 928 drops 7 plus quarts the dry sump 911 engine has most of it's oil in the tank not the engine.
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I forgot about that tank in my 914/6, but there was still a bunch of oil on the road when it blew the case apart. And all over the engine compartment. The whole bottom part of the case was in pieces and I suspect the oil line that screws into it as well. A BIG line.
As for containing all that 928 oil, maybe some way of modifying the belly pan consisting of flexible sides sealing to the underside of the chassis would work. Just a thought. Not all circumstances would be protected, but some might. I can remember when we had no seat belts (or TV), and now look at the measures taken to counteract such emergencies. What Mark said scares me to think of the times I've motored leisurely through Nevada. I like Matt's suggestion.
However, I also had an external oil cooler on that car. Originally, that cooler was in the worst possible place: under the front trunk on the bottom of the sheetmetal. The PO put it there, and I was too lazy to remove and re-locate it.
One day after another "leisurely" drive through the Oakland hills, I had pulled over to rest and restore my composure. I was in the middle of nowhere. As I drove back on to the roadway from the shoulder, the transition was a little too great and I broke the cooler loose. I immediately reversed but it was too late because all the oil was pumping out of the tank onto the pavement. That was a fun 24 hours sleeping in the car. The whole drain period took VERY few seconds. I have since re-located the cooler on that car.
As for containing all that 928 oil, maybe some way of modifying the belly pan consisting of flexible sides sealing to the underside of the chassis would work. Just a thought. Not all circumstances would be protected, but some might. I can remember when we had no seat belts (or TV), and now look at the measures taken to counteract such emergencies. What Mark said scares me to think of the times I've motored leisurely through Nevada. I like Matt's suggestion.
However, I also had an external oil cooler on that car. Originally, that cooler was in the worst possible place: under the front trunk on the bottom of the sheetmetal. The PO put it there, and I was too lazy to remove and re-locate it.
One day after another "leisurely" drive through the Oakland hills, I had pulled over to rest and restore my composure. I was in the middle of nowhere. As I drove back on to the roadway from the shoulder, the transition was a little too great and I broke the cooler loose. I immediately reversed but it was too late because all the oil was pumping out of the tank onto the pavement. That was a fun 24 hours sleeping in the car. The whole drain period took VERY few seconds. I have since re-located the cooler on that car.
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Originally Posted by atb
George,
I've got a 5L crank and the matching "forged" rods from my '87 stroker block.
Yours' if you want them.
I've got a 5L crank and the matching "forged" rods from my '87 stroker block.
Yours' if you want them.
Sent you an email regarding the crank and rods. It turns out they will be
very useful. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks.
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George PM me your Paypal account so I can send you some relief funds!
I want all of you open road racers running so when I come down I'll have plenty of tech support and such.
Besides you guys are in need of some color mixed in with those mostly white & diamond blue 928s, gotta get some red ones in there.
Red=Faster
I want all of you open road racers running so when I come down I'll have plenty of tech support and such.
Besides you guys are in need of some color mixed in with those mostly white & diamond blue 928s, gotta get some red ones in there.
Red=Faster
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Maybe some kind of flaw in the rod bearing or torque setting on it when manufactured or assembled? Or maybe we just saw the limits of his engine. That is after all, a pretty hefty load at 190 mph. I saw the video, but I wonder if George was already out there running hard before the video. If he was, then despite what the gauges where reading, the engine was under alot of stress pushing triple digits in mph for long periods of time. At least in closed course racing, you are on the brakes sometimes and the engine gets a short breather in corners.
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Shane,
Thanks for your support. We have had a couple of red 928s out there with us. Pete W is the most
recent red 928, he's run a couple of events in the past few years. But you're right, we need more
diversity out there. This time there was only three 928s and they were all white. Paul, who usually
brings out his brown Euro 928S, brought his silver Z06, not quite the same...So get your car set up
and come and join us.
Thanks for your support. We have had a couple of red 928s out there with us. Pete W is the most
recent red 928, he's run a couple of events in the past few years. But you're right, we need more
diversity out there. This time there was only three 928s and they were all white. Paul, who usually
brings out his brown Euro 928S, brought his silver Z06, not quite the same...So get your car set up
and come and join us.
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Warren,
Before the video, I had already run the 1st leg of the race. It was 50 miles at a 160 mph average.
I did have a short break between runs, about 20-30 minutes, then it was off on the run in the video.
We are on the gas a lot in these events with very little braking, but we do let off going into some of
the curves and there are usually 25-40 turns in each leg.
Before the video, I had already run the 1st leg of the race. It was 50 miles at a 160 mph average.
I did have a short break between runs, about 20-30 minutes, then it was off on the run in the video.
We are on the gas a lot in these events with very little braking, but we do let off going into some of
the curves and there are usually 25-40 turns in each leg.
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Originally Posted by Warren928
the engine was under alot of stress pushing triple digits in mph for long periods of time. At least in closed course racing, you are on the brakes sometimes and the engine gets a short breather in corners.