FlyingDog

I always thought it was chemicals that changed the color, not heat. That would also make sense at to why the underside is still silver...

low miler

Attaboy Mikey! Dammit, $100K would be sweet, and I mean that for ALL 928 owners!

If the GTS's start to demand higher and higher prices, the GT's, then S4's, S's and so on down the line will eventually profit as well.

This car, the price, it's rarity, exceptionally low mileage and attractive beauty only helps to get all 928's noticed. Start looking at the glass as half full, not empty.

The 928's day is coming soon. This is only one step you should all be proud of and route for. Remember, we're all on the same team here, right?

Todd

Charley B

Finally, someone who dares to state the obvious without apology. Of course, it's still just stating the obvious.

danglerb

Makes you wonder what the guy says that buys a $80,000 Porsche and takes to the dealer and is told they don't work on those anymore?

928ntslow

Low Miler is correct on this one...and my comment here applies also to the ones who question my postihgs.
I thought we all were, but we as a community, seem to have fallen apart. Some/many may disagree, but if you read through this forum on any kind of regularity (nothing in depth, just briefly) you find a community that is torn. If you don't see it, then you are not paying attention(which there is no wrong in that), don't read enough or are just in denial (which is OK too...I guess). Facts are facts. I know I repeat this a lot and trust me, I will eventually go away, like many before me.

It just gets tough seeing the same guys who wave the great 928 flag, bag on it in the next breath (the followers too). We should all be very supportive of each other. ESPECIALLY when a fine example of the same car that you actually own, is in pristine condition. AND can STILL hold the torch for the very same reason YOU yourself, had always dreamed about this car. We should all be proud that it CAN command this price or better!....Not trash the thought! Remember, the day when you were finally able to scrape all of your pennies together to actually buy one??? I bet 95 % of you wanted to sleep in the car the first night you got it! So what happened???

Anyway, I'm getting pretty burnt out on this whole thing. The same topics keep coming up and the same trashing and foolish statements keep getting made. This latest thread for the UNTEENTH time came up again and I just HAD to say something. It saddens me to think that we have such a treasure and it really has fallen to the hands of those who just can't seem to truly appreciate it.

EspritS4s

Keith,
I respect you both as a 928 enthusiast as well as a long term Rennlist contributor, so please don't take this a personal attack. I'm a relative newbie, but I guess I was just questionioning the negativity of some of your recent posts re 928 ownership in general. I wasn't overly offended, but I could see how some might be by your post of different view points. You painted a pretty black and white picture of the haves and have nots. I guess it grabbed my attention because my choice of 928 was not based on what I could "afford" but rather home much I wanted to put into this particular hobby. I guess if the 928 was a pure classic with completely outdated performance and looks, a lot of these threads would not exist. However, given the performance of our chosen rides, I don't think the different viewpoints about price vs. accessability are mutually exclussive. I also don't understand your view that the masses don't truly appreciate the 928. Appreciation doesn't require worship of the penultimate examples of factory originality. The enthusiast base is broader and has benefited from those who want to improve the car just as much as those that want and are willing to pay for a factory original version.

-Gary

H2

My guess is that (perhaps secretly) EVERYONE ON THIS LIST WHO LIKES 928S would gladly pay $100K for Willhoit's car if money were no object to us. With the few numbers made, and last year production, if I had the means, price would not stop me from buying the best 928 I could get my hands on. Of course, if I had that kind of money, I'd also probably own a Lambo, a Farrari, and a McLaren...and maybe a Aston Marton to go buy groceries in. Why not? Get one of each of the best. But I wonder if our driving pleasure would be that much better? I've had a heck of a lot of fun driving the crap out of junkers, off road and on, until they fall apart. There's something to be said for not having a garage queen that you're afraid to drive as it was built to be driven.

I do, however, find it interesting how people can look at a few fotos here and a meager description and pick out all kinds of possible concerns/defects. I usually say, "Why didn't I see that?" The only danger of putting a car on the list for comment/critique is that someone will probably snap it up if they have the disposable means, so you have to be careful if you're interested in the car. However, because moneys are tight for most of us, we always have our eyes open for a bargain...and hope that it comes along when our bankcard has some more room on it. It's human nature. Or to find a diamond on our property. Or to accidently dig up a cache of gold bullion in the garden. It's natural to dream for the best...and perhaps to be jealous of those who are more fortunate. I find that Anglo Saxons tend to be more this way than most cultures. Maybe genetics play a role too?

The 928 is not the best sports car in the world...it's just among the best...and, best of all, relatively affordable. The cost/enjoyment ratio has to be among the highest.

Harvey

IcemanG17

Wilhoit provides a service that we all benefit from......he finds and sells nice low mileage 928's (mostly GTS's) and in so doing keeps the market for those cars higher than it would be without him....sure most of us can't or won't afford a $70k 10k mile GTS......if I had $70k to spend on a car would I consider this GTS...yes.....but would probably wait for the colors I want....

I see two schools of 928 ownership.....the 1st and largest is those of us who love the car and intend to DRIVE IT.....this is not the person who should buy this GTS......since driving any car depreciates it fairly rapidly....the 2nd school is the true collector who doesn't drive the car very much if at all......this is the person who should buy this GTS.....this is the same person who thinks it will sell at barret jackson in the future for large $$$$$.....

It seems this subject is talked about to death, which is Keiths point.....BUT I do keep reading the threads and love to see pristine GTS's that I can't afford (yet)

928ntslow

I know I get wordy and my point does get lost in all my blah blah blah's.

Negativity breeds negatvity. I am making my points directly to the hypocrites here without being direct in listing names. My message is to them..."Stop complaining about expensive 928's because you can't afford it" ....and they KNOW who they are as they time and time again breed negativiity over the value of ANY 928. It's a disease and sucks more and more in. New guys hear this and they believe it. Next thing you know, the word is out that the cars are worthless. Then the flame wars start and no one knows who is on which side...it's so STUPID!

It is not the level of car that one owns or how much one can afford, or even how one wishes to own it, its the words strewn about by those who feel "less than" in some kind of childish jealousy, that a car of such stature, should be brought down the the reaches of the rest of us since we are the majority. I applaud it if a 928 can sell for that much. I just don't get why other 928 owners don't feel the same way....and no one has been successful in explaining to me why this is.

Sure as this is being posted, this subject will undoubtedly come up again.

tdelarm

Wake me up when its over

cobalt

I was always told heat, however chemicals, ozone, or exhaust gases would make sense.

I am attaching a picture of my engine with 60,000 miles and it is not as dark in color as my 100,000 mile 944 engine or th fan on my turbo which has only 35k miles. The turbos generate a lot of heat o it might be a combo of heat and chemicals.

I will find a picture of the 944 engine and post it later for comparison.

Vilhuer

I would be happy to see it goi even higher than $70k but condition of the seats do bother me. They should bother anyone who is thinking about buying it as collectable, which it unquestionably is. They can be fixed relatively cheaply but they are not original after that. Once originality is gone it can not ever be brought back. Any expensive collectable will always be more expensive if it isn't restored and is exact same as it left from the factory.

Very few people who buy 928's look then same way as car collector looks cars. We average owners tend to improve things where as true collector wouldn't install Constantine's clamp to counter TBF problems or drysump to make engine last on racetrack. They wouldn't need to as they will not drive these cars more than they absolutely have to get them to car shows. There are collectors who have total engine teardown done after few minutes of running. Engine must run on concours events to prove that car functions properly.

Warren928

I think its a deal for a porsche. $70k, what will that buy you in other models with being so pristine and low miles? Not much, definately not anything close to the GTS in my opinion.
The car is practically brand new, and for about $110k new, its a deal.

Charley B

Anthony - Are your intake tubes stock? Maybe it's the picture or maybe it's me, but they look like they have a rubber or plastic cover over them.

Bill Ball

I don't see any problem with this thread. People have various opinions. The car looks nice. Being picky about it is to be expected.