Charley B

Damit Bill! There you go again. The voice of reason.

cobalt

Charley,

Yes they are stock. They are new so they have a shine to them. The GTS's have an insulation around them as yours should. I still have the original ones which are no longer shinny, they dry out over time and loose that shinny look.

Tom. M

Personally the only problem I have with a high priced 928 being resold by the likes of lowmiler/willhoit etc..is that they definitely did not buy them for anywhere near the price they are selling them for. I bet Willhoit got that GTS for around 35k wholesale direct from the dealer who took it in on trade and called him to come get it when it came in. Sour grapes.maybe... probably...I would love to have a low mile GTS...so I can buy it at 35k and drive the **** out of it..and enjoy it . Sure if someone buys that GTS at 70K..it is worth it to him...but if he looked around..and shopped around..he could find that exact car at the dealer ..before willhoit gets it....for 35k...Is 35k worth the time invested to look for a good deal on a GTS...i don't know..but for me it is.. but you're right...I'm cheap hahaha..
The big difference in most of these discussions is the enthusiast vs the dealer....once all the good rare GTS deals are gone..then so will lowmiler/willhoit. Most of us are here for the passion of the 928...not for the "perceived" value in our cars.

Later,
Tom
89GT

zrated s4

Keith,

I understand your frustration. As a 928 owner and car enthusiast (not just P cars) I have been hoping for the eventual recognition that our cars are every bit as worthy as the other sport exotica that are normally represented at the various Automotive shows/concourses.

I have participated in judging a local event (not as prestigious as Pebble Beach, Amelia Island, Meadowbrook etc.) and had never seen a 928 represented in the 20 years I had been involved until a couple of years ago when I was invited to enter my car and did so. This year I've been asked to keep an eye out for another possible entry. Though the cars entered don't have to be in the stereotypical concours condition, they have to be in a highly presentable state of display and should "look" period-correct.

I am glad that our cars are starting to be being recognized as being a significant part of automotive history by those who are not the diehard 928 fans that we are. There is room in our hobby for those that aim to personalize and maximize the performance of their vehicles and for those who want to maintain the pristine (low-mileage/high priced) ones to the best of their abilities.

BEN S.

Ed Hughes

Well, nothing is stopping ANY of us from doing the same thing! It's a business for goodness sake, you have a PROBLEM with them making money? Should some of us have a problem with YOU making money? Many other businesses have similar mark-ups. What's the difference if it's someone buying thousands of widgets for $3.50, and selling them for $7.00. You wouldn't probably think twice. So, you probably have hit it on the head-sour grapes.

Chuck Z

Why? That is what he is in business to do and not just with 928s. Do you have a problem with him or all car dealers in general? As for what he paid for this car, I know the guy he bought it from and can tell you that he paid a lot more for than you might think. Certainly paid more for it than it sounds like you would have paid for it.

Tom. M

Difference being that if I wanted a widget..I would spend the time to find it at $3.5 not $7.00. I guess I'm not complaining that they are making a business of it...just that it is NOT.>>worth 70 K......when he just last week bought it at $35K....and the big final phrase....IMHO all are just opinions...

I intend on driving my 928..so there is absolutely no appeal to a 10k GTS to me. I can find a GTS at under 30k fairly easily and get the exact same enjoyment driving it as I would get from the 10K gts.....again..that is my opinion...others as is obvious from the above discussion, may differ...
YMMV
Later,
Tom
89GT

Tom. M

Nope..being an enthusiast..I would prefer someone would have got it at the price that Willhoit paid for it...and kept it...to drive etc. He can make his money on reselling 911's..haha...don't care about those ..

later,
Tom

cobalt

Tom

To be honest I doubt that car ever sold for $35k. Do you have evidence that he bought this car for $35k. How do you know he didn't buy it for $55k or $65k and put some money into making sure it was perfect. He has holding and advertising costs and there are many people out there other than Michael that supply a great service to those that can afford it. How about Ray Joseph of RPM. He is a very reputable seller of high end exotics is he a thief also? If you really want a GTS to drive the **** out of what is wrong with a car with 55k or 60k or 80k miles on it. To be honest If there was no odometer on my GTS I doubt anyone of you would be able to tell how many miles are on my car and I purchased it from Michael in the price range you are looking to spend and it is a great pleasure to drive. So maybe in a few years when it has 80k+ miles on it I might not get what I paid for it or maybe I will, but I didn't buy it as an investment I bought it to enjoy it. If by chance in a few years and my car does have 80k miles and most other GTS's have had the **** driven out of them and I ask and get $50k for it will people be saying its not right or I'm a thief.

This car has 10k original miles. I find pricing for the GTS's is very similar to my 94 turbo. Both cars had about 400+ made for the US and only a few are left with 10k or less miles and the turbo sell all day long in the $70k + price range with this kind of mileage. So why shouldn't an ultra rare low mileage GTS 5 Speed be worth the same. Both cars had similar specs and sold for about the same new. You can be guaranteed when that car arrives it will be in A1 shape and most likely what everyone is picking about in pictures may not even be noticeable in person. Michael makes sure you get the best he can offer.

I for one am happy with my higher mileage GTS for half the money and to be honest if you want a car to drive the stink out of by a 93 with 50k miles on it many have come and gone. It's not Michaels fault you weren't first in line to buy the car and I can guarantee you Michael paid more for that GTS than you would ever agree to pay.

Chuck Z

Why again? Problem is, MW paid more for this car than you and most people on this list would have paid for it. Does that mean an enthusiast will not eventually buy this car? Guess that depends on someones definition of enthusiast.

Tom. M

I know I'll get flak for this statement...

But my definition of a 928 enthusiast does not include someone who is buying the car with the "sole intent" on flipping it.

Later,
Tom

Charley B

Anthony - My tubes have what appears to be a rubber cover over them that zips the whole lenght and look terrific but I haven't seen enough GTS's to know if this is stock, after market Porsche or after market other.

Chuck Z

MW and his wife's lives were saved by the 928 they were riding it when it was hit head on by a drunk driver, I'd say there is a special place in his heart for the 928..... perhaps a bit of an enthusiast?

cobalt

No zipper just a rubberized or vinyl type coating. I can try to take some better pictures for you later.

Tom. M

I remember you mentioning this before..so in the case of Willhoit it seems there is a bit more than just the sole intent of flipping...Kudo's to Willhoit for actually owning and driving a 928

Does he still own a 928 in his personal collection?..

Later,
Tom
89GT