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Old 02-28-2006, 09:34 PM
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Brendan, all you have to do is think back to that ride Mr Murphy gave you, close your eyes and feel it again. Now go finish that 78, and enjoy!!
I'm trying Shane. The G-force memory has worn off.
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It sounds like you are in the same place that Sterling was a few years back at the OCIC in Wichita......was wondering if he would stay a 928 owner after chatting with him...but....it appears he got re-inspired and the rest is ....lets say .."history"....

Keep with it...in the end...you will have some unique 928's to drive around....:-)

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Brendan: You really need to drive a stock Z06 at high speed before you commit to going that route. I mean really high speed. Knowing you are a perfectionist, you may end up with the Z06 looking like your 89 after a few weeks.
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Keep the '78, sell off the rest. Buy a Z06, drive it for two years, then realize that you enjoy your '78 so much more, sell Z06, buy more 928s, dismantle, rebuild, repeat.

I hear what your saying about modern horsepower Brendan, I've got a friend with a CTS-V, and he's contemplating getting the factory WARRANTIED supercharger installed. I think he said 580hp? It's just sick what money can buy these days. My version of Jonesing for a modern car? When the EVO wagon hits our shores I'll be first in line. But I'll still keep my 928. There's nothing like it, and there never will be. I'm hooked man, I think you are too. Maybe just need to give juggling the projects a rest, you've got too much of a good thing going. If you can see your way through to finish 'em all, go for it, but don't let it sour your experience of 928 ownership overall.
I've got a stroker project that's probably coming up on three years in the making, (where are my effin' pistons? LOL), and a body work project that has left my car with no front end, doors loosely hanging, and my car in need of a new radiator. AND, our local Track Attackis coming up on April 15th. Which means I'll probably have to put the S4 front fenders back on (don't think the euro's will be ready), and drive around without interior door panels since my new doors won't be cut for the speakers yet. I haven't driven my car in a couple months, I'm in serious withdrawal, and I'm not too happy about it. But to me, a 928 is always worth the wait.
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Originally Posted by Tom. M
It sounds like you are in the same place that Sterling was a few years back at the OCIC in Wichita......was wondering if he would stay a 928 owner after chatting with him...but....it appears he got re-inspired and the rest is ....lets say .."history"....

Keep with it...in the end...you will have some unique 928's to drive around....:-)

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Its a very small world indeed. Mr. Sterling Gee was indeed the man that stepped up and went to go check out my 89 in Dallas when I was thinking of buying it from a man named Adam, who was the guy who bought it from our beloved Chuck Zackman. Sterling said to me if I didn't buy it, then he would have his freind buy it. I met sterling when I went down with a check for the car and met his decked motor, and Mr. speed himself, Bob Norwood. October 2000. His rods for that engine were still on the shelf, and we had lunch and talked about big haired texas women.
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Brendan: You really need to drive a stock Z06 at high speed before you commit to going that route. I mean really high speed. Knowing you are a perfectionist, you may end up with the Z06 looking like your 89 after a few weeks.

I did forget to mention if I bought one the transleaf spring (one was on my old lumina sedan!) would go and be replaced by coilovers. On the NEW Z-06.
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Funny Adam. No Pistons yet? I need to finish the 78, no doubt. And drive it, alot. And on the track. The 89 sitting on a wood frame may change its color in my eyes then. I HAD planned on Ott flares for the 89. Maybe by that time he will have something for the front.


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Keep the '78, sell off the rest. Buy a Z06, drive it for two years, then realize that you enjoy your '78 so much more, sell Z06, buy more 928s, dismantle, rebuild, repeat.

I hear what your saying about modern horsepower Brendan, I've got a friend with a CTS-V, and he's contemplating getting the factory WARRANTIED supercharger installed. I think he said 580hp? It's just sick what money can buy these days. My version of Jonesing for a modern car? When the EVO wagon hits our shores I'll be first in line. But I'll still keep my 928. There's nothing like it, and there never will be. I'm hooked man, I think you are too. Maybe just need to give juggling the projects a rest, you've got too much of a good thing going. If you can see your way through to finish 'em all, go for it, but don't let it sour your experience of 928 ownership overall.
I've got a stroker project that's probably coming up on three years in the making, (where are my effin' pistons? LOL), and a body work project that has left my car with no front end, doors loosely hanging, and my car in need of a new radiator. AND, our local Track Attackis coming up on April 15th. Which means I'll probably have to put the S4 front fenders back on (don't think the euro's will be ready), and drive around without interior door panels since my new doors won't be cut for the speakers yet. I haven't driven my car in a couple months, I'm in serious withdrawal, and I'm not too happy about it. But to me, a 928 is always worth the wait.
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Don't kid yourself.

You know you enjoy wrenching as much as driveing. W/o the wrenching, the driveing won't make any sense.

Now, wrenching w/o driveing' isn't any fun, but driveing w/o wrenching, that's no fun eighter. So don't kid yourself.

Once that ZO6 warantee is up, you know that poor chevy would be taken down to the tub, just to see how she works, and how you can make it faster/better. First, you say the leaf spring would be replace by coil overs. You know you won't be able to stop there. You have to add shocks, and a new roll bar WYIT. Once you get through with that, you'll have to modify the ABS/traction control for bigger wheels. Then you'll start thinking about bigger brakes, and from there, it's a short jump the the dirty "B" word... BOOST!

Face it, if you didn't have a car apart, you really wouldn't be happy. You think you'd be happier right now, but as soon as you get the last car gone, or together, your going to be thinking about takeing another one apart.

So, put that 78 together. Get the 89 together, and enjoy the journey.
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Brendan...........we have extreme cabin fever in our part of the world; especially now when its March and there's fresh +9" of snow and temps are barely above freezing and its month number 5 with the car parked.

Solution: find an alternate source of madness/exertion: skiing, skating snowmobiles etc is what we do............given your climate; a temporary sports car or even better a modern sports motorcycle..........scare yourself to death with the speed and all shall become relative. After all despite how much we adore our 928s they're a car, a very nice car but in the end!!!
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Originally Posted by BrendanC
I did forget to mention if I bought one the transleaf spring (one was on my old lumina sedan!) would go and be replaced by coilovers. On the NEW Z-06.
Hah, hah. I'm sure that would only be the beginning. BTW, it needs Dynamat worse than a 928!
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Brendan,

I was thinking the same thing that VB said as I read through this post. Your wrenching/driving ratio is all f'ed up. There was a guy who posted in here a couple weeks ago -- khalloudy IIRC? who had been fixing item after item on his car and he finally came to the realization that he needed to just start enjoying it. Granted, he was paying for the work rather than DIY as you've been doing. But the principle is the same. It's a big mess, it's always been a big mess, it will always be a big mess -- NOT!

Ask yourself why you have gone so far down the rabbit hole. Is it because you love these cars so much that you can't stand the knowledge that there is some bit of hardware on it somewhere that is sub-par? Maybe. Is it because you just want to go fast without having to search high and low for the rare/custom parts you need? I think not or you would have been into a much more common car a long time ago.

Now, I don't know you especially well Brendan, we've only talked a couple of times. But it seems to me that you want to create something really special -- and choosing such a special car to base it on makes the vision that much more remarkable. I think we have a lot in common along these lines, though I have much more humble aspirations for my ride -- I still want every bit of it that I touch to be better for it. But it kills me to be unable to enjoy it. I had my car laid up for two weeks while I went back & forth on the alternator, and it drove me nuts. I still plan to make that idea work out, but I had to take a step back, throw the correct alternator on it for now, and drive the car while I see about getting a crank pulley solution. I know that everyone is different, and I have to say that your tolerance for tinkering without being able to drive is way out on a part of the spectrum that I've never explored. But I think there is a parallel here, in that you have reached a cusp where you have had enough tinkering and you want to drive but can't -- so in your frustration you say things like, "If I had such-and-such car I wouldn't have to go through this". What you need most IMHO is remind yourself of what you were so excited about when you started this whole thing.

What I'm getting at is get that sucker rolling! It will be a whole lot more exciting to tweak with this & that when you can take it out for a run whenever you want. Don't forget that all this effort was to make up for 28 years of wear and tear on the car, update the performance, and to do it in such a way that most of what you're doing won't have to be replaced for another 28 years. Don't swallow that "hand-made motor" GM kool-aid, your car is going to be hand-built to a quality spec that GM can only dream about. When you get that 78 done I would bet good money that it will be more reliable in the first 10 years than any new car you choose from any marque. What's that worth?
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Think what you are feeling is not uncommon Brendan. We can all go thru those thoughts. I currently have the Roush Mustang & a Jeep Cherokee in the shop, just bought a second 85S, have to sell the gold 85S, gonna sell my 325 & the Jeep soon, AND I have a daughter I have to buy a car for within six months... whew... AND my wife just recently told me she'd give up her BMW Z4 Roadster for a GTS IF I can find her a nice one that we can afford! Sometimes there can be too much car stuff going on... I just mainly like to drive em!!

The new vettes are nice indeed..... and they are EVERYWHERE!!! I see one every few days. I promise you, Vettes are no different when it comes to having their certain problems and quirks & Chevy is not sitting there waving a gold wand to just fix any & every little thing on their ticket without putting up a fight here & there. My brother, whos a car wholesaler & used to run dealerships, once told me, go look in ANY car dealers service dept & you will see its FULL, no matter whether its a Porsche or a Chevy, or Honda or Toyota! It is a known fact that the Service dept is what keeps a dealer afloat, not the sales dept.

I see both Porsche & BMW going towards that mass production mentality of hoping for people to buy or lease new, have the 4-5 year full service warrantee, and attempt to charge as much as they can to the factory during that time & the owner after the warrantee is up!

You love 928s for a reason or a combination of them. You obviously enjoy working on them & sounds like you are very good at it too. Probably just like the rest of us..... life somehow just gets in the way & we dont find the time we need to enjoy the things we want... then it kinda overwhelms us!! Ok... whew... just get in a 928 and DRIVE IT!!!! is that me or you I am suggesting that too?? I am no where near the skill level of most of those here, but I enjoy attempting to learn & I enjoy reading others doing so too & their success stories when they work through a problem. I guess for me too its that I look at my cars that are both 1985s & say hey, so what if I screw something up.... it can be fixed & its a 21 year old car. Most of all though, I LOVE driving a shark.... the more I own & drive one, the more I love them!! More than the 911 Cab I owned for 5 years!

My 2002 BMW325 is a great car... I got it new & it now has 72k miles on it. Have the 100k mile full warrantee on it... and I'm currently waiting on a new transmission to come in so the dealer can install it, at the factory's expense... did I mention its a 2002 with only 72k miles on it.... and IT NEEDS A NEW TRANSMISSION?????!!!!! Oh yea... its never been tracked or DE'd either! Heck, the first three years my wife drove it & she never takes one even over to the sport mode, much less shift it manually!

I've already went thru the dealer hassels of everyone saying we arent paying for something that I think they should... I bought the car out of my lease a year or so ago. I had the DEALER get the windows tinted by their tint guy. He did a good job & since has done my gold 85S too. Well, the am radio reception started messing up within a few months. I had no clue till I happen to read in a Beemer magazine of a proven & admitted problem on their M3s(including a recall) where certain tints with metallic in it cause the "am radio antenna amplifier" to go out. I think hey... thats MY problem & my cure. Surely the dealer will just take right care of it... NOT!!!!! They say.. oh thats an aftermarket item, we cant pay for that. I tell then YOU are the one who had it tinted so YOU are the responsible party. Im not the sharpest guy out there but if you are having a known problem with the M3's(almost same base as the 3 series like mine), then wouldnt you tell your tint guy NOT to use ANY metallic based tints???? Somehow that seems too easy for me. Well... they wont replace the tint($100 for the different rear glass tint) OR replace the am radio antenna amplifier(like a $300 part alone)! Needless to say... I dont listen to talk radio nearly as much in my 325!!! You'd think since I drive TWO of their cars, they'd realize, hey, this guy can be an annuity if we take care of him, its less than $500 to make it right, thats nothing to BMW or the Dealer!... Besides the goodwill it creates,.... NOT!! But it shows me how they think.. THEY DONT CARE... its a zoo at the Beemer Dealer 6 days a week! I am just one of the masses!


But, the point of my beemer rant is this,..... I promise you.... go on the chevy sites, talk to vette owners.... they have similar problems here or there too. It almost mirrors the mentality of us being in a "disposable world" today.... things seem more like they are made to break. Maybe that adds to the appreciation of the 928...not that stuff doesnt break on em I know.

I LOVE that 325 ... how it looks, how it drives... think all the time of all the add ons & changes I'd make IF I had unlimited funds to do so... Know what else??? The car is getting ready to go up for sale simply cause between the tranny & about $3500 in ac work that Beemer has paid for, I couldnt imagine me having to constantly fork over big bucks once that 100k warrantee runs out!. Heck... I'll wait 17 years till that 2002 is 21 years old & if its still a worthy car I'll buy one then not worry about attempting to tinker on it myself!

And besides, like you said, if you got away from 928s, then you wouldnt be getting to share your life with all the rest of us great Shark owners & instead would be having to be a part of some chevy forum somewhere right?? You need an R&R at a Shark function so you can be around other 928ers to help justify the madness & help to clarify why you would never be happy without a Shark in your life. Your 78 & 89 both sound like they are gonna be awesome cars too! Keep your head up & know that you are not alone & we need ya in the Shark community & here on Rennlist!!
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Funny Adam. No Pistons yet? I need to finish the 78, no doubt. And drive it, alot. And on the track. The 89 sitting on a wood frame may change its color in my eyes then. I HAD planned on Ott flares for the 89. Maybe by that time he will have something for the front.


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Keep the '78, sell off the rest. Buy a Z06, drive it for two years, then realize that you enjoy your '78 so much more, sell Z06, buy more 928s, dismantle, rebuild, repeat.

I hear what your saying about modern horsepower Brendan, I've got a friend with a CTS-V, and he's contemplating getting the factory WARRANTIED supercharger installed. I think he said 580hp? It's just sick what money can buy these days. My version of Jonesing for a modern car? When the EVO wagon hits our shores I'll be first in line. But I'll still keep my 928. There's nothing like it, and there never will be. I'm hooked man, I think you are too. Maybe just need to give juggling the projects a rest, you've got too much of a good thing going. If you can see your way through to finish 'em all, go for it, but don't let it sour your experience of 928 ownership overall.
I've got a stroker project that's probably coming up on three years in the making, (where are my effin' pistons? LOL), and a body work project that has left my car with no front end, doors loosely hanging, and my car in need of a new radiator. AND, our local Track Attackis coming up on April 15th. Which means I'll probably have to put the S4 front fenders back on (don't think the euro's will be ready), and drive around without interior door panels since my new doors won't be cut for the speakers yet. I haven't driven my car in a couple months, I'm in serious withdrawal, and I'm not too happy about it. But to me, a 928 is always worth the wait.
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My saving grace is that I don't have enough room, time, money or knowledge to get this involved in wrenching. So, I only can do little 1-day jobs every so often and must drive the rest of the time. I guess I never realized that maybe it's good that I'm not blessed with Brendan's skills and ambition. Sometimes I feel a bit inadequate when I can't participate in piston squish area or head gasket choice discussions, but maybe it's better that way.

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Thanks alot for the effort and thought put into these responses guys, both on and offlist.

The only think keeping me sane in this situation is the 85 Euro I bought from H. I put an motorsport crossover in it, and Jager shifter, and I drive it to the office and back daily (sometimes 6 days a week). I scare the hell out of the boulevard cruising convertible 996/7 idiots who do thier 60 in the slow lane. It calms me.

I think some switch of some stuff will go on in the near short term, and the 89 may go into storage somewhere so I have the whole garage for the 78 to finish it.

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