Seth W

Jim H Said: "Seth has one of the cleanest 89 GT's in existence, period."

My car and I both thank you.

Sorry for the missing sig earlier, everyone. I had another account that I mistakenly opened. I blew up a computer and all my cookies are gone and could not remember sh*t.

DoubleNutz

Thanks Jim...I was wondering who the 5 poster was and Seth cleared that up too.

all4woody

So one questions, is everyone saying my car didn't make 462rwhp with the SAE correction 1.07?
I am off to the grag strip tonight to see if I can tear up a clutch, I will check back in tonight.
Later, Woody.

Jim R.

Wow, away at work and I missed reading all this!

I am a customer of Tim's. I have not grown strings, so the "puppetmaster" must not be there for all his complaining, unhappy customers. For the record, I think the banning is BS, and that both involved parties should have had the same. There was quite a bit of fact mixed BS slung around, and how Tim got called out on that and dragged into this is just not right.

I was quite close to purchasing a kit from Andy, but felt that Tim's kit was a better fit for my needs and expectations. After reading all the BS over the last few days, I am even happier with my decision. The secrets, the hiding of the facts, and whiney BS are just too much. We all seem to want just a little more power, THAT shoulkd be the focus of these SC threads.

As a side note on power for psi, it would be interesting if we all took the psi for our boost gauges from the same source. Might make things even a little more interesting around here.

Jim Roberts

Sab

Just for the rumors that Andy's kit does not come complete or leaves cars with issues after install.
I installed my kit about two month ago with Andy's help (which he rendered free of charge...). I had no issues, besides some unexpected expenses for parts I needed to replace anyway (knock sensors, crank position sensor, hall sender and idle control valve). My car is my daily driver and was done over the weekend. I put 3k miles on since and it is just plain awesome. I am sure some fellows with 11PSI can produce more power then I with 5, but I don't care.
Now I would love to post my dyno sheets to compare and discuss, but I don't want to be broadsided by some clown calling me a cheat.
I think Lag's attitude hurts this community.

Jim_H

Do it!

Jim_H

Maybe since Lag isn't here to defend himself or comment we can move on to civil discussions concerning dyno sheets, HP, VE, CR, smoking tires, intake ideas, oil ingestion, 1/4 mile times... and just general stuff about the 928's.

all4woody

I'm back from the drag strip and can't believe only $10 for all the runs you can get in, this could be habit forming. Sad part is I could only run high 12's. Once I stopped hitting the rev limiter, and stopped missing gears (that is embarrassing ), all I could do was smoke the tires. I am running 275 street tires and didn't bother letting any air out. I would spin all through first and some in second, guess I need to invest in some sticky rubber. Not bad for my first time out. Made some new friends and learned allot.
Anybody have a good tire recommendation for 275/17, 285's tend to rub.
Thanks, Woody.

DoubleNutz

Stay on top of checking that torque tube...the drags and wheel hop have a tendancy to make the front bearing walk.

m21sniper

"I'm back from the drag strip and can't believe only $10 for all the runs you can get in, this could be habit forming. Sad part is I could only run high 12's. Once I stopped hitting the rev limiter, and stopped missing gears (that is embarrassing ), all I could do was smoke the tires. I am running 275 street tires and didn't bother letting any air out. I would spin all through first and some in second, guess I need to invest in some sticky rubber. Not bad for my first time out. Made some new friends and learned allot."

Drop the rear tire pressure to about 20psi and crank the fronts up to 50psi. That'll almost definitely get you in the mid 12s.

Z

Someone sent me an e-mail asking if I had seen this thread yet, so I actually read through the whole thing. That should give you an idea of really how little else I had to do.

You say that like you think it would matter a whole lot to Tim whether he was banned or not. Tim is the only one that knows, but if I had to guess, I'd say that he wouldn't exactly loose too much sleep over it. It would probably just give him more time to spend with his wife and three kids.

Some of you may have noticed that Tim doesn't really post too much as it is, and you know what? He's not alone. I've been involved with the 928 stuff for a pretty good while, and with other cars since a good bit before some people reading this were even born. I've met, talked to, and coresponded with a lot of 928 owners and enthusiasts in that time, from all over this and some other countries. There are some people out there that are VERY knowlegable about cars in general, and on 928s specifically. You know what? THEY DON'T POST HERE. They want no part of some of the stuff that goes on here. They've seen more than enough bad information presented as "fact". They've seen actual good information that's been posted be disputed by people who have no idea of what they're talking about. They've seen people who tried to correct bad information questioned and attacked because somebody had a big ego, a financial interest, or both. Some of you would probably be very surprised at some of the knowledge and information that's out there, that you're not going to hear about because a small number of individuals act the way they do. Don't worry, some of you guys reading this may figure out some of that same information sooner or later... maybe. That's if you can afford the time and money it might take, and have the required knowledge to figure it out. I mean maybe you have the various engineering, electronic, physics, and other training that some of these people do. Maybe you have full access to dynos, flow benches, various other test equipment, research, machine shops, can build multiple 928 engines and components, and have the knowledge to analyze all of the data you gather, like some of these people do. Maybe you do, and maybe you'll figure some of it out for yourself.

I've helped some of you privately, but haven't publicly posted much really useful information in a while already. It took me a while, but I finally came to the same conclusion as some of those others that I talked about who don't post here. If you're having a problem with a setup you bought, ask the guy who sold it to you to fix it. I'm not paid to provide support for anybody's system, and neither is Lag. Both of us have gotten questions privately and provided answers though, including to people who bought Andy's stuff. I've even seen where Andy's product was bought and the customer then asked for and got help from Tim. That was all in the past though. Some of you have my direct e-mail address. Those that do I'll be more than happy to help with stuff. Whatever Lag and Tim plan to do as far as helping anyone is obviously up to them, but I can't think of one good reason that they'd want to take the time and put forth the effort the way that they have in the past. Would Lag come back if he wasn't banned. Who knows. I've been asking him why he bothers with any of this for quite a while already.

Yes John (Herr-Kuhn), a good engineer will see through the BS. You may be somewhat surprised at what some of them think about some of the comments that have been made by some of those on here. Sometimes I really think that maybe it would be better if some people weren't too polite to say what they really think of something, either publicly or directly to the individual who built something, or who made some statement. It might really help someone, or the community as a whole if more people did do that. Doing that might even help some people to keep from continuing to make an *** of themselves, although I have strong doubts about it helping to stop some from doing that.

I guess that's one way of seeing at it. I guess there's also a way to see someone who presents false statements as fact, tries to copywrite his posts, threatens to sue if anyone tries to make direct comparisons to his products or use statements he's made, who states that he won't provide technical support publicly, and only on the forum that he's created, moderates, and restricts. Don't bother telling me how you see someone like that, since you've already made it clear that we have very differing opinions on some things. It's interesting that Tim got dragged into this by, of all people, the moderator. I guess there's a way of seeing that too.

Oh yeah, feel free to ban me too if anybody gets a thrill out of it. While some may enjoy misinformation, ego pumping, and what basically amount to infomercials on here, I'm not a teacher correcting homework, I'm not a psychologist dealing with other's personality problems, and I've changed the channel.

bcdavis

I agree with the idea that all this stuff can, and should be discussed freely.

But without any harsh tones, insinuations, etc...

If you heard a manifold cracked, then ask if it is true.
Ask if anyone else had the same problems.

But don't act like a jackass when asking those questions.

I'm all for banning people for acting inappropriately, but I think people should
be able to discuss any issue they want, and raise any questions they want,
as long as they do it civily.

John Veninger

This whole "subject" is very sad for the 928 community

Thaddeus

I found this whole thread, and the one that preceded it, very confusing.

Let me get this straight:

2 vendors both offer supercharging options. Which is amazing for a car this old. The possibilities start circulating in my mind.

One or the other, can't tell which, started talking smack about the other's kit.

One or the other, don't care which, over-reacted.

Various people who bought one kit or the other defend one or the other or both.

Somebody goes past the line in the Moderator's mind and gets banned.

Then everybody starts arguing about that.

As an impartial observer, I gotta say:

Not interested in buying a kit from anybody involved in this. Not interested in who was right and who was wrong. Not interested in whether or not Randy was right or not in banning whoever it was. I guess I don't care which particular fuel rod is overheating when the containment system safeguards kick in to prevent reactor meltdown.

I'd like to see competing vendors act like gentlemen; to refrain from dissing each other; and if there are disputes about the quality of their respective products, arrange for some impartial 3rd party to test both and post the results.

In any case, I suspect a lot of people who might have bought kits feel the same way as me, and their dollars will stay snugly in their wallets.

In sum: Lose-lose-lose. Too bad. :shakehead:

Red UFO

I agree with Thad, these uber charger vendors need to try and act like the 'big three'. You don't see them throwing each other under the bus. Its no wonder the people with uberchargers get into pissing matchs all the time, with people who don't even own a 928. But if the vendors do it, the customers will to.

I think Randy should have banned all the parties for some cooling off time.

As for what Z said. Ya, alot of people don't post here, big deal. But I think the quality of information posted here is pretty damn good. Show me any board with rapid response to problems on a shark? If people want to thumb their nose at rennlist because they think they are too damn good for it, then we didn't want them as members anyway.