Jim_H

Ya, ya bunch of idots.

m21sniper

I'm the board admin at www.a-10.org

I've found that when banning an established poster there are usually just as many that are irked about it as there are who are pleased by it.

Mod/Admin is one of those 'lonely' jobs, and any given admin/mod has to use his best judgement.

Randy did, i have no problems with it. The worst thing he could do now IMO is reverse himself.

DoubleNutz

Kaz that could earn you the quick use of that smiley (or frowny).

Jim_H

It seems to me Lag was passing (sarcastically )on mostly info he had heard through the grapevine. Regardless that some of it may have been out of context, I learned some things.
Now if I am Andy some of this is irritating because I am going to have to deal with non issues but I just don't see how passing on info to the 'list is a bad thing.
The moderator could have jumped in with one of his clever 1 liners and let Lag know to settle down.
FWIW I have have 1 twin screw installed and 1 on the way but that doesn't mean I think people shouldn't be entitled to their opinions.

Idot

This is Too Easy...


Quote:
Originally Posted by GoRideSno
Is there anyone here that still doubts that Lavagulin is flat out posting false information in order to defame me?

Quote:
Originally Posted by GoRideSno
Lagavulin, You have used false information in the paragraph referenced above it has caused me problems. It will be in everyone's best interest if in the future you refrain from this. I suggest you remove the false inforamtion above now.



Let's examine this 'posting false information' stuff and see what really happened here.

By the way, you never did answer this simple question:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lagavulin
Andy, why don't you just go ahead and point out the false information?


All you did was huff, and puff, and threatened to blub-blub-blub-blub-blub-blowwww my house down! As usual, it is all a bunch of hot-air.

Why is that so? Simple, NO false information posted.


I noticed in someone's sig that they're going to be installing a positive displacement blower onto their car, so I'm thinking that he should know ahead of time, with 'eyes-wide-open', what to expect based upon the experiences of others.

Let's go through my major points/'lies' one-by-one from here:

post #9:
http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforu...1&pp<br /> =15

Point #1:
Why do several dyno runs start at 3500 RPM?
It was Marc's recommendation because of severe tip-in detonation problem.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim_H
post #11 from here:
http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforu...1&pp<br /> =15

Lag,

That was my GT that was a rock'n. It was the very first run after installation and yes it probably read on the richter scale. Though it only lasted a second it freaked me out big time, to say the least.
We got it tuned so there was very little tip in problems above 3K and I was ok with that.

Point #1: confirmed

So Andy, who's really lying here? I said it happened, and Jim confirmed that it happened. Are you going to say that Jim is lying now?

Since I'm not lying, and Jim's not lying, what does that imply about YOU and your erroneous statements?


Point #2:
The grapevine says LOTS of cars are having idling problems.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim_H
post #11 from here:
http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforu...1&pp<br /> =15

There are many SC's that are having idling problems and this is good info to know.

Point #2: confirmed.

Again, who's really lying here? I said it happened, and Jim confirmed that it indeed is an issue. Does that mean Jim is lying, again?

Since I'm not lying, and Jim's not lying, what does that imply about YOU and your erroneous statements?


Point #3: Cracks observed in manifold due to improper manufacturing.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Ball
post #37 from here:
http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforu...3&pp<br /> =15

Several weeks later I observed some weld cracks in the manifold.

Point #3: confirmed!

So Andy, who's lying here? I said it happened, and Bill confirmed that it happened. I guess now that it's a conspiracy and Bill is involved in it too?!

Since I'm not lying, and Bill's not lying, what does that imply about YOU and your erroneous statements?


Point #4:
Leaky/faulty intake manifold due to improper welding possible cause of idle problems.

I contend ONCE AGAIN that 'the many SC's that are having idling problems' should look into the problem experienced here in Point #3, and why I posted this:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lagavulin
post #9 here:
http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforu...1&pp<br /> =15

So the clues obviously point to 'Door #1', a severe lean condition due to a leaky manifold due to improper welding. In the manifold's defense, how could it possibly seal out un-metered air if the welding wasn't done competently? Under those brutal circumstances, there is NO WAY any engine with a leaking manifold can be expected to idle properly.

'Fix' this, and 'fix' that, but until one gets to the root of the problem like Marc did, a leaky intake manifold at the welds themselves, the problem will persist forever!

So Andy, are you saying that my supposition is incorrect? Am I 'lying' by saying that that raw un-metered air, or vacuum leaks, are not a good thing?
Have you considered that it may very well be that some those cars that are experiencing idle problems may have a faulty intake like Bill's?

Are all those engineering books lying regarding the consequences of vacuum leaks? Am I lying for stating a simple fact from those books?

If I were one of those 'many' experiencing a chronic idle problem that won't go away, I would be checking the intake manifold for cracks, ...toot-sweet!

I just thought of something, those complaining of idle problems, are they lying too??

On a serious note, if cracks are discovered in more intake manifolds, I am confident you're excellent customer support will handle it appropriately.

Point #4: Air-Tight!

So Andy, WTF am I lying about?

Since I'm not lying about anything, what does that say about you and your accusations?


Quote:
Originally Posted by marc@DEVEK
post #54 here:
http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforu...4&pp<br /> =15

Lag/Paul states "Bill, I did not know any names, and why I posted none."

Then how did you know what happened with Bills maniold or with any other actual event? FACT: YOU DON"T!

nuff said..

Marc


I DON'T??

Marc, think: how do you suppose I knew there was a cracked manifold in the first place? (...McFlyyyy!) In case you didn't 'know', it is a confirmed 'FACT'! (..see Point #3 above) How do you suppose I knew any of these things that are so hush-hush, yet every single point has been independently confirmed?

C'mon Marc, 'splain' it to me!

Well Marc, what does this statement really mean then? It's certainly doesn't fit the description from what others reported:

Quote:
Then how did you know what happened with Bills maniold or with any other actual event? FACT: YOU DON"T!


FACT: I DO!

One must admit that stating such things does not make you look very good.

Of course, what I posted is all true, which make Andy's ranting all the more savory, and pathetic at the same time. And with you chiming it, it looks like I got two birds with one stone.

McFlyyyyyyyy!

Yeah, you and Andy teamed up are a real 'winning' pair!

Quote:
nuff said..


Too late for that, don't you think?
Quote:
Originally Posted by GoRideSno
post #56 here:
http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforu...4&pp<br /> =15

What you see is Lagavulin lieing about my product in an attack on me.
Even Gretch states I was attacked. When Lag has been told he is wrong publicly and privately by VIRTUALLY ALL of the involved parties he writes about yet still says that his statments are true then there is a motive.

Andy, dispute ANY of the above; EVERYTHING I stated previous has been CONFIRMED!

Oh, and by the way, the one PM I received stated that they removed the kit from their car because it was not something for them, and their car is fine. It also confirmed the pinging I referred to, which Marc fixed with 'some type of valve'.

So Andy, even PRIVATELY my points were confirmed, again!


Quote:
Originally Posted by GoRideSno
post #60 here:
http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforu...4&pp<br /> =15

...but dealing with the likes of Lag over the internet has been enough to make me quit selling my kits all together.

Wahhhhh!
Maybe if you got your stories straight you wouldn't suffer from your self-inflicted gunshot wounds, and then desperately scramble to blame others.

As for your whining (..say it with a lisp) ' he defamed me!', you pretty much did that to yourself, once again I might add.

Concluding, those 'many' who have chronic idle problems, perhaps a solution is at hand!

DoubleNutz

Hmmm, I am going to beg to difer with that statement. It not that noble a job and the moderator gets to EASILY participate with a psuedonym.

Gretch

I have observed your reaction to a bit of tweaking here on this board, you came close to a banning yourself I believe. I look for predictable, rational wisdom exercised by mods. I don't agree with your opinion on reversal. This isn't about Randy or mod infalability or weather a mod should show weakness....It is about being fair and impartial. When someone in a position of authority makes a mistake, it is that much more important for them to admit it, for the credibility of the authority exercised. Nobody wants judges to be arbitrary of capricious.............Exercising Mod authority obligates more "responsibility" rather than confering more "power".........

DoubleNutz

I agree with you Jim, but Randy chose to instead. I think there are more objections to the banning in this thread than there are supporters.

I believe that banning should take the consensus of private votes in the stead of one moderators judgement. I like Randy but he is, as we are, human and not exempt from putting personal emotion into his decisions to do such a thing as banning.

sharkmeister85

"Without free speech no search for truth is possible, without free speech no discovery of truth is useful, without free speech progress is checked and the nations no longer march forward toward the nobler life which the future holds for man. Better a thousand-fold abuse of speech than a denial of free speech. The abuse dies in a day, but the denial slays the life of the people, and entombs the hope of the race."
Charles Bradlaugh (1833–91)
Glenn

goliver

Gretch,

I'd like to here your opinion as i'm looking at SC options. PM if you think it best.

sharkmeister85

And so it starts.......

"By placing discretion in the hands of an official to grant or deny a license, such a statute creates a threat of censorship that by its very existence chills free speech."
Harry A Blackmun, Associate Justice, US Supreme Court
Glenn

James-man

This is only pertinent if we were visiting www.Rennlist.gov

SethW

I'm just going to put my $0.02 cents in here. There is no "free speech" here on Rennlist. There is a charter that is FAR, FAR more restrictive than that "free speech" right guaranteed by certain civil rights we enjoy as citizens of our respective nations. We all agreed to be bound by that charter as members of this community.

Honest, mature and open feedback is appropriate. Taunting, defamation, cursing, personal insults and the like really don't belong on this board. Frankly, its behavior I expect from a much less mature crowd driving cars more well suited to stickers and pictures of Calvin peeing on another marquee symbol.

This conduct has become rampant over the supercharger issue and nobody has stood up above the fray and nobody has turned down the rhetoric. Hey folks, lets face facts here, we are driving 1970's technology that is the red headed stepchild (NO offense to red heads, love 'em) of the Porsche family, only marginally more "accepted" than the 924. If our community is internally divided like this, then there is even less hope for the preservation of these lovely cars that were oh so far ahead of their time, and rejected b/c the engine was in the wrong place and used coolant.

Well, that is it for me on the subject.

James-man

No doubt "Lag" has offered sound information and insight in the past. He is a credible, interesting Rennlist contributor.

But, behavior that borders on belligerence does not have to be tolerated. A beligerent drunk at a party would ordinarily be asked to leave and/or will not be invited again.

Banning seems to be an effective means of getting peoples attention enough that they may actually modify behavior in the future - also helps with the cool down process. I am certain that Lag will be invited back to this party.

Jfrahm

Yes, it's simple. If you value your participation on this forum, behave in a respectful manner towards others. It's not that hard.

-Joel.

Ketchmi

I personally don't agree with a moderator taking sides. Shouldn't they be impartial like a judge is required to be?

I have never been in the presence of Tim, Paul or Andy but I have spoken in length to Tim, once or twice to Paul. All these gentleman stand tall in my book for helping the 928 community. The bickering really shouldn't take the importance that it has. Simple facts are that Andy doesn't release any information about potential problems with his systems. There will always be problems, none of these things are truly plug and play. I modified a FAST kit so heavily to make it work it may not be recognized as such anymore. I currently use Tim's brackets, pulleys and intercoolers. For a Vortech, there are none better IMHO. I do not use his items that I think I can improve upon. Simple. I do not get on here and drag him down because I think I can do better, his downfalls are discussed and solved by him, improving his product with each evolution. There are many more minds available to help if the problem is discussed openly. It may be Andy's baby but someone else may have the obscure idea to fix/improve it for future users.

If I were a un-informed potential customer I would expect to be able to come to this board and see what I may be in for. Isn't that one of the purposes of a web forum?

Paul may have been a bit abrasive and a bit on the attack mode, that's a personality trait, not a reason to ban him. Andy is more than secretive about his developement problems and defensive about his customer's dyno charts. (I question them myself) The real questions asked were not being answered, just danced around with "He said-He said" BS. If anything, both participants should have the same treatment. You may notice that Tim didn't play that type of game, just quotes facts and attempts to resolve the issues. (THIS IS NOT A PAID SPONSORSHIP BY TIM MURPHY! I am just stating fact myself.)


Horsepower is not magically created, it must follow very strict rules. A 300rwhp car when boosted by +1atm will not provide 600rwhp. There are considerable losses incurred by intake/exhaust restrictions at higher flow levels, air charge temperature, horsepower required to drive the supercharger (both types!) and many, many other variables. One type may be more efficient than the other but not outside of these given fixed rules. A 300rwhp engine boosted at 7.35#'s (1/2 atm) will not give 450rwhp. Ain't happnin' there boss!

Flame on gentleman, I have now spoken my peace.